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Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-01 04:37
by dasein
If someone mentioned it here, I missed it.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-a ... 00016.html

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-02 05:38
by Linadian
Why is there tumbleweeds blowing through this forum and this thread? One would think the systemd-heads should be jumping for joy. Or is it because you self-exiled yourself? Persona non grata so to speak. :shock:

I am of course, just clowing around. :mrgreen:

Even Jessie looks pissed, lol...
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Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-02 11:07
by dariusdor
Some may have ignored this thread because it was posted at a time which in some time zones put it on April Fools Day.

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-02 20:16
by NFT5
Yes, the April Fool's Day possibility was one that occurred to me.

However, moving on, what strikes me is the urgency that seems to be attached to getting Jessie into stable. Admittedly I wasn't around (in Debian) at the time when Wheezy was at the same point, but everything I've read has always pointed to Debian taking as long as it takes to get a release to the point where it can "really" be classed as stable.

Last time I looked (no doubt updated by now) there were some 1500 issues still to be sorted in Jessie. Is it reasonable to expect that these, or at least the vast majority of them, will be resolved by 25th April? Or is there some reason why Debian is pushing the release so hard?

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-02 21:32
by Linadian
NFT5 wrote:but everything I've read has always pointed to Debian taking as long as it takes to get a release to the point where it can "really" be classed as stable.

Maybe Debian is pulling a 'Microsoft', knowingly release on OS that's still in a beta state, then wait for the flood of complaints and bug reports to flow in before doing anything (in their own sweet time), that 'system' works for MS, look at the millions of suckers that keep coming back for more pain and abuse. Debian is after all, with the addition of systemd, the new Lenndows. :wink: :shock: :lol:

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-02 23:29
by buntunub
The response to the post is a pretty good indication of the response that Jessie will get on release day. A whole bunch of crickets chirping in the background clearly heard due to no applause. This is a rushed release, probably timed to the outgoing DPL (the one under whose watch systemd was made default in Jessie) leaving and also because Jessie will be the first release with systemd default. I think there will be a massive fanfare when Devuan launches.

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-02 23:34
by cpoakes
NFT5 wrote:...Last time I looked (no doubt updated by now) there were some 1500 issues still to be sorted in Jessie. Is it reasonable to expect that these, or at least the vast majority of them, will be resolved by 25th April? Or is there some reason why Debian is pushing the release so hard?


Actually there are 1500 release critical bugs for Debian total (stable/testing/sid), not for testing. If you look at the release critical bugs page for testing (jessie)https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html, there are 99 bugs. And 24 of those have patches already pending.

While some of us are not happy with systemd, I still trust the Debian culture and policies to create a stable OS - it is the the Debian raison d'etre. April 25 is an estimate and a target, not a promise. It will be ready when it is ready.

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Follow the green line, these are the release-critical bugs for each release - April 25 may be a little optimistic, but still in the ballpark.

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-03 06:31
by TonyVanDam
1. Will Jessie include xfce 10 or 12?

2. Will Jessie include LXDE 8?

3. Given the systemd backlash, will Debian Stable in general have enough supporters at all? Specifically, will the Debian Jessie-era be THE last ever for the legecy AND history of Debian?!?

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-03 08:34
by Roel63
TonyVanDam wrote:1. Will Jessie include xfce 10 or 12?


Checking packages.debian.org for testing returns 4.10

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-03 14:41
by dasein
dariusdor wrote:Some may have ignored this thread because it was posted at a time which in some time zones put it on April Fools Day.

It's a tad ironic that this post got the "April Fool" reaction (and no, it's not), whereas the post I made that was about an April Fool joke didn't.

Last time I checked, there were fewer than 50 RC bugs in Jessie, so three weeks' out isn't out of the question--unless a new RC bug is found in the interim. (But that's a danger even as late as Release Day -1)

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-03 14:59
by Linadian
dasein wrote:
dariusdor wrote:Some may have ignored this thread because it was posted at a time which in some time zones put it on April Fools Day.

It's a tad ironic that this post got the "April Fool" reaction (and no, it's not), whereas the post I made that was about an April Fool joke didn't.

That was a joke?! I seriously thought that was for real, wow am I gullible, lol. :shock: :oops: :lol:

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-03 23:29
by NFT5
cpoakes wrote:Actually there are 1500 release critical bugs for Debian total (stable/testing/sid), not for testing. If you look at the release critical bugs page for testing (jessie)https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html, there are 99 bugs. And 24 of those have patches already pending.


I stand corrected. Just shows what happens when you rely on memory of something read a couple of weeks before. :oops:

I still get the feeling that there's an air of urgency about it though.

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-04 01:51
by cpoakes
The typical freeze to release time for stable has been 6 months, but wheezy took a long 10 months. Although the devs say it will be ready when it is ready, there was a sense that the wheezy freeze was too long. Missing the 6 month "average" might be fueling any anxieties you sense. With a Nov 5 freeze, May 5 marks that psychological boundary.

Re: Jessie to be released April 25

PostPosted: 2015-04-04 02:38
by Linadian
TonyVanDam wrote:3. Given the systemd backlash, will Debian Stable in general have enough supporters at all? Specifically, will the Debian Jessie-era be THE last ever for the legecy AND history of Debian?!?

That's a good point, if people are forced to use systemd(ominator), why not go with a distro that it's more native to, like Fedora or CentOS? Oh, wait, that's kinda the plan. Kind of makes Debian obsolete, redundant, worthless, inconsequential and a has-been joke.