Bulkley wrote:Miro has been abandoned by Jessie.
Bug #754232
New/inexperienced users should understand that Debian places user control above convenience.Jagcoxa wrote:New users / inexperient users want a complete package
Well not all, of us , this is what I like about it, the installation was VERY "user friendly" andNew/inexperienced users should understand that Debian places user control above convenience.
I think most Debian users will know how to create a #! clone themselvesmonara wrote:Yes, it is! It is pretty snappy.
I was using Crunchbang Waldorf, but the development stopped with Debian 7. So, I really looked into Waldorf, and created my own Crunchbang Waldorf spin with this snappy Debian 8. Thought I should let others have it too, free, just the same way Debian was given to me. As there is no Crunchbang after Waldorf, I called it Monara and uploaded the 64 bit live DVD to Sourceforge. (If you look for crunchbangmonara, you'd find it there.) Sorry, I couldn't upload a 32 bit yet.
This is all because Debian is excellent and I can find all the info needed.
Absolutely!Head_on_a_Stick wrote:I think most Debian users will know how to create a #! clone themselvesmonara wrote:Yes, it is! It is pretty snappy.
I was using Crunchbang Waldorf, but the development stopped with Debian 7. So, I really looked into Waldorf, and created my own Crunchbang Waldorf spin with this snappy Debian 8. Thought I should let others have it too, free, just the same way Debian was given to me. As there is no Crunchbang after Waldorf, I called it Monara and uploaded the 64 bit live DVD to Sourceforge. (If you look for crunchbangmonara, you'd find it there.) Sorry, I couldn't upload a 32 bit yet.
This is all because Debian is excellent and I can find all the info needed.
It is very simple...
Do you mean Crunchbang was only "nothing more than themes & icon sets?"Head_on_a_Stick wrote:^ IMO the last thing GNU/Linux needs is another pointless "distribution" that amounts to nothing more than themes & icon sets.
Well, when it was released the unofficial Debian ISO images (which include the non-free firmware) were not available so it made it much easier for users with hardware that required such firmware to install it.monara wrote:Do you mean Crunchbang was only "nothing more than themes & icon sets?"
Er... not really. It is a community group led by a former #! forum mod with Corenominal's current (infrastructure) support. The reason they don't have a live CD yet is because in its conception they were trying to integrate with Debian rather than be a separate entity. The idea was that in the longer term, an Openbox DE similar to CrunchBang could be integrated as an option in Debian.monara wrote:The guys, who are leeching on Crunchbang cannot get a live CD out.
@somebodyelse: The reason BunsenLabs (the CB derivative under discussion) doesn't have an ISO is that there is NO release yet. As pointed out, the current netinst based installation is an alpha test. Eventually there will be a website, a repository (for the BL debs), and ISOs. The hope/goal is for BL to become an official Debian Blend, but that won't prevent the creation of ISOs. Other Debian Blends release their own ISOs.somebodyelse wrote:Er... not really. It is a community group led by a former #! forum mod with Corenominal's current (infrastructure) support. The reason they don't have a live CD yet is because in its conception they were trying to integrate with Debian rather than be a separate entity. The idea was that in the longer term, an Openbox DE similar to CrunchBang could be integrated as an option in Debian.monara wrote:The guys, who are leeching on Crunchbang cannot get a live CD out.
They are not calling it CrunchBang and are therefore not benefitting from the good name of the former.
They are making it available (alpha) with Debian net install as the first step. This makes the fact that it is just Debian patently clear.
Don't sound like leeches to me.
Okay.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Well, when it was released the unofficial Debian ISO images (which include the non-free firmware) were not available so it made it much easier for users with hardware that required such firmware to install it.monara wrote:Do you mean Crunchbang was only "nothing more than themes & icon sets?"
Also, the multimedia repositories were enabled (for better or worse) and the .pkla configuration files were modified to enbable browsing of attached devices without superuser permissions (again, for better or worse).
Not to mention the newer versions of certain packages in the #! repositories (I did provide an explicit list of these for you in the #! forums).
This is also a debatable "advantage" as these packages did not receive security updates or bug fixes (unlike the wheezy equivalents).
All told, #! did offer more than "just themes" at the time of it's release but, on the whole, these no longer apply.
This is the reason why @corenomial ceased development.
For the record, I switched from #! to Debian wheezy as soon as I figured out how to install the non-free firmware for my wireless card during the installation and have been using pure Debian ever since.
Also for the record, I am not part of the BunsenLabs development team.
Out of all above, let's take the line "creation of a repository.cpoakes wrote:@somebodyelse: The reason BunsenLabs (the CB derivative under discussion) doesn't have an ISO is that there is NO release yet. As pointed out, the current netinst based installation is an alpha test. Eventually there will be a website, a repository (for the BL debs), and ISOs. The hope/goal is for BL to become an official Debian Blend, but that won't prevent the creation of ISOs. Other Debian Blends release their own ISOs.somebodyelse wrote:Er... not really. It is a community group led by a former #! forum mod with Corenominal's current (infrastructure) support. The reason they don't have a live CD yet is because in its conception they were trying to integrate with Debian rather than be a separate entity. The idea was that in the longer term, an Openbox DE similar to CrunchBang could be integrated as an option in Debian.monara wrote:The guys, who are leeching on Crunchbang cannot get a live CD out.
They are not calling it CrunchBang and are therefore not benefitting from the good name of the former.
They are making it available (alpha) with Debian net install as the first step. This makes the fact that it is just Debian patently clear.
Don't sound like leeches to me.
@monara: Overlooking the snark, I read frustration with the slow pace creating a BL ISO. For better or worse, the devs are taking the "it'll be done when it's done" mantra to heart. Furthermore, they are solely focused on creating the product. There is no parallel development of a funding mechanism, selection of a hosting service, creation of a repository, or a native web site; that will be addressed after the product development is complete. More like turtles than leeches. So a simple way to download and test a BunsenLabs Live ISO is still a long way down the road; I understand the frustration.
It is not Jessie, but your hardware.cpoakes wrote:Back on topic. I am dissatisfied with jessie on my hardware. Both squeeze and wheezy recognize my laptop in the dock with lid closed and use the external monitor; not so with jessie. The same hardware also occasionally hangs on power down under jessie but has no problems with squeeze or wheezy.
Where the migration from squeeze to wheezy was problem free, jessie will take some fidgeting. So far there is nothing I want or need in jessie to bother with it. I will stick with wheezy until I find an application or feature that's only available in jessie.
Monera is Debian8 + OpenBox + the freely available #! tweaks and isn't a parasite, butmonara wrote:BunsenLabs is another story, just parasiting on #! tweaks and looks and trying to make a name--anyone who knows how to install Debian 8 and Openbox, and also read a bit could create a #! lookalike. That's why Debian 8 is just that good.