Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

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Re: Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

Postby andre@home » 2016-01-26 22:56

Chiefahol wrote:Here's a radical idea.

Perhaps an outside commercial entity could try offer commercial support for Debian. Donate a small slice of what it makes to the non-profit Debian foundation.
It already exists... know your Debian roots...
https://www.debian.org/consultants/index.en.html
Debian is free software and offers free help through mailing lists. Some people either don't have the time or have specialized needs and are willing to hire someone to either maintain or add additional functionality to their Debian system. The following is a list of people who make at least part of their income from doing paid support for Debian.....

Please note that some consultants donate a portion of their income (derived from Debian) to supporting Debian. This is up to each consultant or company. Of course, this is pointed out to you so that it will hopefully influence your choice ...

The list is provided as is, without any guarantee or endorsement by the Debian Project. Entries are the sole responsibility of the corresponding consultant.

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Re: Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

Postby raspbian » 2016-02-07 07:28

@HuangLao

AMA & MD?? What do you mean?

@wizard10000

I understand the support part so that means that is the only reason. But it would be quite good to get some certification on Debian to test our skills. Getting certified on one and then using Debian is all together a different story.

I am not sure about the support of Redhat as never took that but MS Pro support is not always good, at times they do take time to solve an issue.

@HuangLao

I guess he means the inhouse support and if they can't resolve in time then need to contact Vendor for immediate resolution to avoid $$ loss

And if a server is down then waiting for a forum reply or searching multiple places over the net could be time consuming and a wrong move can bring more downtime. Lets say if I need to setup a PKI infrastructure for my Organization then I can't rely on a thread:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=126606

Though I need to do it for personal experience, as of now so can test, research and ask more. However, for enterprise can pay the Vendor and get things up in timely manner.
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Re: Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2016-02-07 10:59

raspbian wrote:http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=126606

Ha!

I should probably warn you that I'm just a random spod sitting at home with my laptop, I have no training or expertise in IT :D
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Re: Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

Postby kedaha » 2016-02-07 11:53

raspbian wrote:...it would be quite good to get some certification on Debian to test our skills.

For the opposite point of view, see, for example Hacker_culture#Ethics_and_principles where such certification might well be included along with other bogus criteria. :wink:
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Re: Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

Postby Soapm » 2016-02-11 05:36

I think it has to do with rain, when it rains, a red hat is better than no hat at all...
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Re: Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

Postby Felix Carbury » 2016-02-12 11:54

The question is why is Red Hat preferred at all by anyone? $350 per year for a workstation computer is outrageous for an individual. Consider an analogy.

If you own a home and the toilet breaks you have to fix it yourself or pay a plummer time and materials as you go to fix it. You have to take a day off from work to let him in. If you rent a home and the toilet breaks you call the landlord and he is responsible for fixing it. You don't even have to be there.

If a company has hundreds of workstations they don't want the responsibility of fixing them when (not if) they break. Some of these consultants make $350 per hour.
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Re: Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

Postby GarryRicketson » 2016-02-12 14:34

Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

It isn't , here we don't use Redhat , nor want it , We prefer Debian and that is what we use.
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Re: Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

Postby prahladyeri » 2016-02-18 01:32

Objectively, I think Debian is much better than Red Hat and derivatives. Here are my reasons:

1. apt is a much better package management tool than yum. For example, we can backup the entire system by just archiving /var/cache/apt/* and restore when required. Yum can't support this as it has delta rpms which are just parts of a whole package. apt-get install * is also much faster than yum install *.

2. Debian is minimal and simple. With Debian, all I have to do is add a bunch of iptables rules like the one shown below and my firewall is secure. With RHEL/Fedora, its a whole new firewalld daemon that I have to learn.

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iptables -A OUTPUT   -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT #http
#Set default policy to deny all traffic
iptables -P INPUT DROP
iptables -P OUTPUT DROP
iptables -P FORWARD DROP


3. Debian supports multiple architectures (almost everything under the sun, except perhaps smart-phones). Unlike RHEL that runs on a chosen few machines that are profitable for Red Hat, Debian universally supports all PC architectures. The only reason mobile isn't accessible yet is that Smart Phone vendors aren't opening up their specs and firmware code to Debian.

4. Debian has compatibility with most hardware and software and runs out of the box without issues. I cannot say that for RHEL or Fedora.
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Re: Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

Postby raspbian » 2016-02-28 13:37

Lets see when it would be available for Smartphones as well, then howcome Ubuntu & Kali are there for Mobiles though they are based on Debian.
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Re: Why Redhat is in demand/preferred over Debian

Postby tomazzi » 2016-03-04 12:47

wizard10000 wrote:Look at this from an enterprise standpoint. I spent a bunch of years working for Department of Defense and there you simply can't deploy an operating system that doesn't have paid vendor support available so that pretty much limits your choices to Redhat, SuSE or Ubuntu.

I currently do geek work for a rather large gas and electric utility in the midwestern US and all the Linux instances here are SuSE.

If your business can lose thousands or millions of bucks an hour during an outage you're going to make real sure you have third-level support available. I spent a couple of years as an IT critical incident manager and you'd better believe that if there's *any* hesitation from support teams when resolving an issue we require the support team to engage the vendor.

The business requirement drives the support model. I'm a big supporter of community-based problem resolution, but my shareholders wouldn't be nearly as understanding if stuff's broke and their revenue stream is impacted :)


IMO wizard10000's explanation is one of the best in this topic, however, (as I also have experience in this matter) my point of view is a bit different.

It's true that for small to medium businesses it's simply cheaper to buy 3rd party support than hiring full-time highly specialised and professional staff.

However, for businesses which are operating bilions of $$$, 3rd party support is completely useless and in some special cases even harmful.

1. A company which is selling support services doesn't take any responsibility for effectiveness of their support - no guarantees of any kind - so if shit happens, it just happens.
But what's funny, in addition to paying fees for the breakage, You also pay for the useless services. It's far more reliable to buy a financial insurance - at least some part of financial losses can be compensated this way, and this a real help for Your business.
In case of huge businesses it's absolutely better solution to hire best-in-class specialists - they have better chances to prevent and fix the problem, because they perfectly know their systems.
A guy from external company, who only occasionally connects to the system, usually doesn't even know how Your server room looks like, what machines are there and how they are connected/configured - because this was done by someone else...

2. 3rd party services can be harmful in case of military and government systems - real life example: Edward Snowden :)
In other words, a 3rd party company, which hires hundreds if not thousands of people is unable to guarantee full security of information.
This is most obvious in case of military systems, but business data/informations can be also critical and valuable.

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