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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby pylkko » 2016-01-24 17:29

Epiphany comes with a built-in adblocker. No need for an extension. Used sucesfully on LXDE and GNOME. Works pretty fast and I have even run it with 512 MB RAM. Works on X or on Wayland. Based on webkit. Pretty basic though, but not as minimal (has more features than) as most minimal ones.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby ralph.ronnquist » 2016-01-24 21:56

dasein wrote:Certain FF extensions are deliberately rendered nonfunctional inside PM (AdBlockPlus being perhaps the most high-profile). I don't know if it's still true

Reading this forum thread, I decided to give Pale Moon a try, and had so far only found it pleasant as a totally seamless replacement to Firefox. I hadn't even come as far as (re-)installing AdBlockPlus yet, so now I'll need to test that more thoroughly. It does install disabled, but offers enabling, which I did. We'll see whether it'll cause me grief, forcing me back to Firefox.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby roseway » 2016-01-24 22:50

Pale Moon has its own replacement for Adblock Plus: Adblock Latitude - the link also explains the reason for it. I've been using Pale Moon for several weeks now, and I'm completely satisfied with it.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby ralph.ronnquist » 2016-01-24 23:00

Fair enough; I'll change to use that. Note that for some reason, the search option in add-ons manager doesn't include it. This might be due to me "upgrading" to Pale Moon, or just a deficiency; the manager does advertise both add-ons sites, but it seems to only search Mozilla.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby sjukfan » 2016-01-24 23:58

Do you really need to change? I know firefox uses 2GB ram here, but that might have to do with the 220 tabs I have open. If you go back to just a few tabs open at the same time I would assume it'd use less resources. With the usual adblocker and flashblock plugins. And a scriptblocker if needed.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby HuangLao » 2016-01-25 00:04

Surprised no-one mentioned Seamonkey.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby oswaldkelso » 2016-01-25 00:10

Beat me to it. Seamonkey here and dwb and fifth-browser are worth a shout.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby TonyVanDam » 2016-01-25 02:03

edbarx wrote:Since, the last policy changes by the firefox developer team, their famous browser and its functional replica, iceweasel, are expected as some threads on these fora explained, to require more powerful computers, I am creating this thread to discuss what alternative browsers exist, if any at all. Those who don't have high end hardware 'may' start to experience drops in performance of their favourite browser.

As my hardware is NOT the best on the planet boasting of eight or ten cores and my RAM is only a measly 2 GB, I am expecting that my long use of iceweasel may soon come to an end.

The crucial quesiton is: which existent browsers can effectively replace iceweasel for hardware that is not so recent?


ANSWER: Firefox/Iceweasel alternatives! :mrgreen:

Palemoon -- If CPU & RAM are your main concerns, this browser is the #1 answer.

Tor Browser Bundle [TBB] -- It's a good idea to have this as a secondary browser for times that you need more privacy AND security than what Firefox, Iceweasel, or Palemoon can offer. And since the number of Tor users has increase in recent years, it's a lot faster than Jondofox.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby Bulkley » 2016-01-25 19:24

After loading my usual security and privacy extensions Pale Moon doesn't seem to be any faster than Iceweasel. That's always the rub. Simple software is always faster. It is features that slow us down. As far as I can tell, the main advantage of Pale Moon is that one does not have to use the Australus theme.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby thanatos_incarnate » 2016-01-25 20:23

Bulkley wrote:After loading my usual security and privacy extensions Pale Moon doesn't seem to be any faster than Iceweasel. That's always the rub. Simple software is always faster. It is features that slow us down. As far as I can tell, the main advantage of Pale Moon is that one does not have to use the Australus theme.

I have the same experience on my new machine, but Pale Moon does help on my old netbook. However, even the leanest browser can't save you from javascript bullshit, so I just changed my browsing habits. NoScript, uBlock Origin and a custom hosts file are shielding me from invasive content. On js heavy websites I have to use I try to open the mobile version. It mostly does the same thing and takes much less resources. I almost never watch online video with the browser, as mostly either mpv or youtube-dl will do the trick and give me much better playback anyway.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby Bulkley » 2016-01-25 21:55

[quote="thanatos_incarnate"]However, even the leanest browser can't save you from javascript bullshit . . . /quote]

I remember using Gopher to browse back when I had a 9.6k dial-up modem. It took no longer to reach around the globe than it does now. The difference is that, prior to the WWW and all its junk, content was mostly text.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby stevepusser » 2016-01-25 23:22

We have a built-from-source Pale Moon in the MEPIS and MX 15 repository, but our build configuration had to be approved by the Pale Moon developer in order to use the name. I'm pretty sure Debian could add the package, but would want to change the name to "New Moon" or something like that in order to have the freedom to change any build configuration.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby dasein » 2016-01-25 23:38

Bulkley wrote:...prior to the WWW and all its junk, content was mostly text.

Hey, even in the Web's early days, content was mostly... well, content.

These days, the vast majority of bytes pumped out via the Web is surveillance, and content is more like an afterthought.

Sorry. I'm ranting.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby Bulkley » 2016-01-26 00:31

dasein wrote:
Bulkley wrote:...prior to the WWW and all its junk, content was mostly text.

Hey, even in the Web's early days, content was mostly... well, content.

These days, the vast majority of bytes pumped out via the Web is surveillance, and content is more like an afterthought.

Sorry. I'm ranting.


So am I. You are right.
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Re: What internet browser to replace iceweasel/firefox?

Postby TonyVanDam » 2016-01-26 00:46

Bulkley wrote:After loading my usual security and privacy extensions Pale Moon doesn't seem to be any faster than Iceweasel. That's always the rub. Simple software is always faster. It is features that slow us down. As far as I can tell, the main advantage of Pale Moon is that one does not have to use the Australus theme.


It's not a fair argument, my professional opinion of course. I say that because most of my add-ons/extensions (except for NoScript) for Firefox can not be install on Pale Moon. And from user experience, too many add-ons/extensions can slow down a web browser, hence why Firefox is slower on my 14-year-old desktop than Pale Moon. But of course, this is not an issue on my 4-year-old laptop.
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