golinux wrote: millpond wrote: golinux wrote:
Are you aware that there is an 'alternate' Devuan forum
Must be new.
We got up and running the end of November. IRC is still the most active meeting place.
millpond wrote:I'll be by soon...
See ya there!
I've never been comfortable with live chat, perhaps from the bad experien ces in the ole days when AOL unleashed the kiddies onto the net.
Plus I have been developing an utterly irrational phobia over email. Cant explain it.
But i like the forum, a bit slow, but dont feel like every reply is reanimating a corpse. (Though I have always been partial to Lovecraft).
I generally dont like bleeding edge, except for programming languages. Indeed the machine I use the most cannot even run the really latest, as it is absitively ancient. But it is absolutely immune from any hanky panky fromthe new ring0 CPU bits. I dont let the new laptop anywhere near my network.
As to systemd, this is one dead horse that *should* be ritually flogged.
It IS a religious and philosophical battle in which systemd is merely a symbol, a rallying call. Like 'Remember the Alamo'.
Its the embodiment of co-operative community vs competitive corporatism. Systemd represents a symptom in the FOSS community in which specialized interest have trumped general welfare. The simple fact that hundreds of thousands of servers running on trusty old scripts would become deprecated by a uility that had no right on earth putzing with them, should be reason enough. I have seen systemd physically damage some of my own scripts.
It also bears repeating (even if endlessly) that the average user will never even notice systemd, or even know what in init script is. Or care. That is fine. But there needs to be a place in the Unix ecosystem where most (at least) of the Four Freedoms can still be expressed. Including the right to 'just say no' to any piece of software from an untrusted vendor. And for many of us, that is precisely what Redhat is. Debian is a major backbone, and the only real choice between a real distro, and redhat itself. Most of the others are complier based, which is nice for small systems, but dreadful for massive ones.