sunrat wrote:It seems to be a common opinion among regular users here that GNOME is the worst of the popular desktop environments
by sunrat » I know this will open a can of worms, but it needs to be opened.
by acewiza » but once you do and lean some of the ins-and-outs, it's a far more efficient interface for power users.
Me@mysystem:~$ hello, Garry, what do you want ?
Me@mysystem:~$ I don't know
Me@mysystem:~$ I am sorry that is not a valid command, please try ? or help
Me@mysystem:~$HELP(1) General Commands Manual HELP(1)
help - help for new users and administrators
This document is meant to familiarize new users and system administrators
with OpenBSD and, if necessary, UNIX in general.
Firstly, a wealth of information is contained within the system manual
pages. In UNIX, the man(1) command is used to view them. Type man man
for instructions on how to use it properly. Pay especially close
attention to the -k option.
by acewiza » I've know people who sat in front of a Windows XP desktop for years and still couldn't find the Control Panel.
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:sunrat wrote:It seems to be a common opinion among regular users here that GNOME is the worst of the popular desktop environments
I would respectfully disagree, I installed a fresh stretch system a few days ago and chose GNOME (3.22 atm); the desktop is beautiful to use, IMO.
sunrat wrote:I know this will open a can of worms, but it needs to be opened.
GarryRicketson wrote:Before WindowsXP, all I used was older DOS versions, I mean really old,
IE : MS Dos, 1.1, up to 6. and online, it was 'Unix', until Linux came into
the scene, The first versions of windows, did not work, and crashed, my PC,
,.....then I kind of dropped out of doing anything with computers for a few years.
When, I did get back into using one, Windows XP, was what was popular,...I do
not understand why,...so I got rid of it,...at least FreeDos has a CLI,....
DE's just make everything more complicated, slow the system down, and make
it take longer to download the OS, if there is no option, and you have some
DE forced on you, because it is "popular", so the developers, include it,.....Like it or not, I don't think I need that kind of OS,
....but at least, as far as I know, fortunately you still have the option to not
install a DE on Debian and there are other choices, you do not have to waste
a bunch of time and space installing Gnome, ....you can install another DE, or none at all.
GarryRicketson wrote:...I am not positive I know what you mean by "power user"
With all that said Garry, can I assume you don't use a DE and just use a CLI? What about all those commands you have to remember with options to go with them along with syntax, etc. DE's do away with all that, which is why DE's are so popular. But every DE includes a terminal for CLI work. The best of both worlds' you might say-----
What about all those commands you have to remember with options to go with them along with syntax
----------- utilities on remote servers
GarryRicketson wrote:----------- utilities on remote servers
That is a interesting point, and I kind of chuckle, because so many times
we have had these kind of "power users" come to the forum, and they are
totally lost, because the have no DE or GUI, when they access a remote server,
If the application can not be started from the command line, I wouldTry managing or using geodata or any other big data systems for that matter
(if it is), but I do not like the idea of somebody else deciding what DE I should have installed as default,....I believe it is still default for Stretch. Why?
sunrat wrote:It seems to be a common opinion among regular users here that GNOME is the worst of the popular desktop environments. I believe it is still default for Stretch. Why?
I know this will open a can of worms, but it needs to be opened.
Personally, I installed it once and used for a few hours of "why can't I do this thing I did with $(other DE)" and went back to KDE, never to return. Actually using Xfce now but may return to KDE Plasma 5 sometime.
sjukfan wrote:question to those who like Gnome 3, do you use the default settings, or are there something you always turn off or on?
GarryRicketson wrote:I think maybe we are looking at 2 different things, but also,..
we are really getting into another topic,....
sjukfan wrote:I personally think Xfce, MATE or Cinnamon should be the default DE...
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:And turn off the ****ing indexing, I hate that ****.
Why the debate? I don't know about you guys, but I install Debian once and then just upgrade. How many times are you doing it for the need to worry about what's default? If you had to install it every day/week I'd understand, but it's only once in the lifetime of the computer/hard drive, right?
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:sjukfan wrote:question to those who like Gnome 3, do you use the default settings, or are there something you always turn off or on?
I prefer to disable NetworkManager completely and rely on ifupdown instead because I don't want my users fiddling with the connection settings
Otherwise, the only things I change are to remove the silly drop-down arrows and put the Applications menu back in the panel. And turn off the ****ing indexing, I hate that ****.
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