Gimmicky extensions. It's not like Gnome 3 won't work without them or you've lost any functionality by not having them. The first program I install to add some functionality after installing Gnome 3 is... Gnome Terminal!sjukfan wrote:But from what I've heard it seems like a lot of people who run Gnome 3 says there's some extensions or whatsnot that you *have* to install, or articles like The 10 things you have to do after installing Gnome 3. But that might be old things that you don't have to do any longer.
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Me too. I don't even have a display manager; I log in from the CLI prompt using sx.sjukfan wrote:I'm not much of a DE guy at all, I run openbox and tint2 and I'm happy as a pig in mud.
Gnome is only default if one simply selects the desktop environment. There is no need to do so.
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Hehe, certainly did open a can of worms. I started this thread due to observing what seems to be a disproportionate amount of support questions here concerning Gnome, but that may be just because, being default, it may have a larger number of users.
There are 2 things that immediately come to mind -
- problems related to video acceleration being required by default
- settings that require installing Tweak Tool that are included by default in other DEs
Note I am not putting Gnome down and respect peoples' preference to use it, just airing an observation.
There are 2 things that immediately come to mind -
- problems related to video acceleration being required by default
- settings that require installing Tweak Tool that are included by default in other DEs
Note I am not putting Gnome down and respect peoples' preference to use it, just airing an observation.
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Why did you want to open a can of worms? It doesn't fit the title of the thread. Did you get an answer to that question, or do you just like winding people up?sunrat wrote:Hehe, certainly did open a can of worms. I started this thread due to observing what seems to be a disproportionate amount of support questions here concerning Gnome
What problems with video acceleration? Or do you mean lack of?sunrat wrote:There are 2 things that immediately come to mind -
- problems related to video acceleration being required by default
There are no settings in Gnome 3 that require the use of Tweak Tool. For that matter, there are no settings in KDE, Mate, etc that require the use of GUI's neither.sunrat wrote:- settings that require installing Tweak Tool that are included by default in other DEs
Let's just hope that all the other non-Gnome members here don't air their observations as well. Otherwise, this forum is going to fill up with trivial threads like this.sunrat wrote:Note I am not putting Gnome down and respect peoples' preference to use it, just airing an observation.
+1Bulkley wrote:Gnome is only default if one simply selects the desktop environment. There is no need to do so.
And that's all there is to it really. There is no default. You are not forced to install it.
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HOAS first post answered the title question, thank you.
And one can't say there is no default. If you select "Desktop Environment" , you get Gnome unless you specifically select another DE.
And one can't say there is no default. If you select "Desktop Environment" , you get Gnome unless you specifically select another DE.
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Yes, I can't stand that stupid crippled launcher, it really does annoy me.phenest wrote:Indexing? You mean the search box on the Overview?
I use the shell for file searches and the search box just isn't as good as dmenu for my use case and dmenu doesn't work under Wayland
But I digress...
And hey, go easy on sunrat -- this is an interesting thread
Well, the "fallback" desktop can be selected, although I would like to see that useless error message be reworked to point this out.sunrat wrote:- problems related to video acceleration being required by default
Otherwise, I would say that using hardware acceleration to move stuff around the desktop sounds like a much better idea than farming everything out to the CPU, providing the user has a half-decent graphics card.
We have so many threads started here by people trying to enable hardware acceleration for better performance, it seems strange to me to criticise GNOME for offering this functionality.
As phenest notes, that program is only needed for conveniencesunrat wrote:- settings that require installing Tweak Tool that are included by default in other DEs
All of the options in the GNOME desktop can be controlled exclusively from the command line with gsettings(1), this makes the desktop tremendously flexible as it can be scripted into shape
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Unless you're finding that challenging, what's the issue? Although, to be fair, it's always been said that "Desktop Environment" is vague and it should state "Gnome 3" instead just for clarity. At least then, you'd know what you're installing.sunrat wrote:And one can't say there is no default. If you select "Desktop Environment" , you get Gnome unless you specifically select another DE.
In fact, how do I (or anyone else who'd like to) tell the Debian devs this needs changing.
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https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reportingphenest wrote:how do I (or anyone else who'd like to) tell the Debian devs this needs changing.
I think you would file it against the tasksel package but I'm not sure.
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If you have Gnome Calculator installed, you can use the search for calculations.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Yes, I can't stand that stupid crippled launcher, it really does annoy me.phenest wrote:Indexing? You mean the search box on the Overview?
I use the shell for file searches and the search box just isn't as good as dmenu for my use case and dmenu doesn't work under Wayland
I'm doing it too. Note to self: Don't digress.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:But I digress...
Apologies to sunrat if I'm coming across a bit harsh. It wasn't my intention.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:And hey, go easy on sunrat -- this is an interesting thread
Yes, it is interesting. But, for me, I want to know why users keep asking this question and why it's a big deal. Perhaps it's just because Gnome is referred to as "Desktop Environment" instead of "Gnome 3".
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Quick question before reporting this:Head_on_a_Stick wrote:https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reportingphenest wrote:how do I (or anyone else who'd like to) tell the Debian devs this needs changing.
I think you would file it against the tasksel package but I'm not sure.
I've only ever installed Debian from CD1. If you install from a DVD iso (thus having a selection of DE's), is Gnome still referred to as "Desktop Environment", and the other DE's referred to by name?
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I changed to Mate when I upgraded to jessie. I haven't looked at Gnome3 in stretch yet but I will when the time comes to upgrade to stretch.
Why is it the default? I see in the wikipedia article about it:
Why is it the default? I see in the wikipedia article about it:
Maybe Red Hat's contributing to it has something to do with it; one can but speculate...GNOME is developed by The GNOME Project, which is composed of both volunteers and paid contributors, the largest corporate contributor being Red Hat.
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Because i've been playing with KDE 5.12.4 and it is the buggiest crashiest desktop i have ever experienced, i can't move files, i can't update, segmentation faults everywhere, root fs is constantly being corrupted.sunrat wrote:It seems to be a common opinion among regular users here that GNOME is the worst of the popular desktop environments. I believe it is still default for Stretch. Why?
KDE is pretty bad to be honest, GNOME is boring but at least it works.
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Not sure if this deserves a bump but I'll bite. I know a lot of people hate GNOME, but I've never really understood why. It's probably my favourite desktop environment and I've been using it ever since I started with Debian. Yes, it's very different to others but that's what I like about it - it's nothing like a Windows [MS] DE and it's very clean and minimalist, shoving all the applications into the background. Also it really comes into its own when using multiple desktops - moving things around is a breeze.
It also looks awesome. And as much as KDE looks very good too, it crashes too many times for my liking. Also the GIC really doesn't bother me: I have accepted systemd as part of Debian, for better or worse.
EDIT: I wonder where phenest disappeared to.
It also looks awesome. And as much as KDE looks very good too, it crashes too many times for my liking. Also the GIC really doesn't bother me: I have accepted systemd as part of Debian, for better or worse.
EDIT: I wonder where phenest disappeared to.
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Some of the critics came when in one forum gnome user asked how to print n-up pages. He knew his printer supported this. Conclusion was that it was not possible in gnome, and then came Linus, how made one of his so popular statements:'Gnome is for idiots!'Lysander wrote:Not sure if this deserves a bump but I'll bite. I know a lot of people hate GNOME, but I've never really understood why.
What bothers me as xfce user, rarely now, but every now and then I need some program that is available only for gnome, and it pulls half of gnome. I don't even remember how many times I have purged gnome-user-guide.
I think gnome teem does not use dependencies right, program probably runs without user manual for DE.
Old xfce recommend apps page (not available anymore) had some gnome programs, and all them had warnings about heavy dependencies.
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^The fact that programs require a lot of GNOME dependencies is not the fault of GNOME, but the developers of those programs. And to be fair, those programs have been made to be used with GNOME, not XFCE.
My opinion has always been that GNOME is popular because it's backed by a large player in the FOSS world, that being Red Hat. This gives a sort of certification to GNOME, and ensures it's future. Furthermore, while being minimal to the naked eye of an average user, GNOME is in fact very robust, complex and modern "under the hood". Yes, it lacks the configuration galore of Plasma, but that is also one of it's strengths. It knows what it wants to do, does it and doesn't cave in to the outside demands.
Another good aspect of GNOME would be it's default looks. It has a visual brand, so to say. People instantly recognize it, just like people recognize Windows. Changes are subtle enough not to break the intended (emphasis on the word "intended") workflow. Yes, it actually has it's intended workflow. Developers have though about streamlining the experience, made a different working paradigm that that of 90's style Windows one. The trick? You have to learn and use the keyboard shortcuts. Mouse is just there to assist, you do the heavy lifting using your keys.
Want to close a window? CTRL+Q. Search? Just press the Super key and start typing. That said, you can do a lot just by combining Super key with other keys. It's alright if you can't adapt to this. If that's the case, don't be hostile and disrespectful to one of the largest free software projects ever. Plasma is there, Cinnamon is there, great MATE is there. Use those, but leave GNOME to do what they think it's right for them.
My opinion has always been that GNOME is popular because it's backed by a large player in the FOSS world, that being Red Hat. This gives a sort of certification to GNOME, and ensures it's future. Furthermore, while being minimal to the naked eye of an average user, GNOME is in fact very robust, complex and modern "under the hood". Yes, it lacks the configuration galore of Plasma, but that is also one of it's strengths. It knows what it wants to do, does it and doesn't cave in to the outside demands.
Another good aspect of GNOME would be it's default looks. It has a visual brand, so to say. People instantly recognize it, just like people recognize Windows. Changes are subtle enough not to break the intended (emphasis on the word "intended") workflow. Yes, it actually has it's intended workflow. Developers have though about streamlining the experience, made a different working paradigm that that of 90's style Windows one. The trick? You have to learn and use the keyboard shortcuts. Mouse is just there to assist, you do the heavy lifting using your keys.
Want to close a window? CTRL+Q. Search? Just press the Super key and start typing. That said, you can do a lot just by combining Super key with other keys. It's alright if you can't adapt to this. If that's the case, don't be hostile and disrespectful to one of the largest free software projects ever. Plasma is there, Cinnamon is there, great MATE is there. Use those, but leave GNOME to do what they think it's right for them.
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Playing with kde 5.12.4 from where? on what? Why would you bump a two yr old thread about gnome as default desktop for this?Chiefahol2 wrote:Because i've been playing with KDE 5.12.4 and it is the buggiest crashiest desktop i have ever experienced, i can't move files, i can't update, segmentation faults everywhere, root fs is constantly being corrupted.sunrat wrote:It seems to be a common opinion among regular users here that GNOME is the worst of the popular desktop environments. I believe it is still default for Stretch. Why?
KDE is pretty bad to be honest, GNOME is boring but at least it works.
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That Chiefahol2 is definitely a troll, or just hasn't installed the latest KDE properly. It's not officially available for Stretch so is still beta software in Debian.
My own experience with Plasma 5.12.5 both on siduction, and on Stretch using NeptuneOS KDE repos, gives me the most stable and featureful system I have ever had.
My own experience with Plasma 5.12.5 both on siduction, and on Stretch using NeptuneOS KDE repos, gives me the most stable and featureful system I have ever had.
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I haven't tried anything KDE except on stretch, i think it's 5.8 it's like an early LTS or something. I've had it running for a year and a half, just doing basic stuff. I like Skrooge personal finance, and I use it to run my big TV and watch videos and dvds, also crank up the music with Juk. I did have to tweak it a LOT at first, but it is pretty darn good.sunrat wrote:That Chiefahol2 is definitely a troll, or just hasn't installed the latest KDE properly. It's not officially available for Stretch so is still beta software in Debian.
My own experience with Plasma 5.12.5 both on siduction, and on Stretch using NeptuneOS KDE repos, gives me the most stable and featureful system I have ever had.
I never use gnome, so not trying to add anything to the topic. Just saying, kde on stretch is pretty good for me.
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Debian 10. Because i had an opinion on GNOME/Stretch? Here's a tissue if you want one.bw123 wrote:Playing with kde 5.12.4 from where? on what? Why would you bump a two yr old thread about gnome as default desktop for this?Chiefahol2 wrote:Because i've been playing with KDE 5.12.4 and it is the buggiest crashiest desktop i have ever experienced, i can't move files, i can't update, segmentation faults everywhere, root fs is constantly being corrupted.sunrat wrote:It seems to be a common opinion among regular users here that GNOME is the worst of the popular desktop environments. I believe it is still default for Stretch. Why?
KDE is pretty bad to be honest, GNOME is boring but at least it works.