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Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby VentGrey » 2017-01-29 06:23

(This is merely a suggestion, mostly for us daily desktop users)
Navigating through other distros I noticed that a lot of distros have a beloved "welcome screen" one of them being Linux Mint or most of those Ubuntu Derivatives, but it came to my attention that even this came to a "new" spin called Devuan :shock: (im not touching the whole systemd thing because it will cause a lot of unecessary bablbing :wink: ), seeing this in Devuan https://git.devuan.org/nioanto/devuanwelcome makes me think maybe the Debian Desktop team sould consider maybe a little to add those kinds of little "thingies" for the users. Now do not get me wrong, Debian is awesome and I do not pretend to say their derivatives are superior or so, but maybe Debian Desktop users can get a little more pimped, like showing off "Hey im using Debian, it is cool".

What are your thoughts on this?
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2017-01-29 10:06

VentGrey wrote:What are your thoughts on this?

I don't like the idea, Debian is for competent users and needs no such frivolities, IMO.

Plenty of Debian derivatives offer this sort of thing anyway, as you note.
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby debiman » 2017-01-29 10:38

VentGrey wrote:What are your thoughts on this?

it might admittedly be useful the first time a newb logs into a fresh install.
it's probably not much work to throw something together with python-gtk or so.
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby kedaha » 2017-01-29 12:05

I've installed and configured Debian desktop systems for relatives & friends —which has earned me quite a few beers— and customarily set up plymouth so they don't see the startup gobbledygook when they switch on their computers.
I see no objection to such user-friendly "thingies" as a "Debian Welcome Screen" providing they're optional and not included by default.
A Debian desktop system —userland— can be used easily and competently by users who have no idea of command line stuff.
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby phenest » 2017-01-29 14:15

What is the purpose of a "Welcome screen"? I get a login screen if that's what you mean?

kedaha wrote:... customarily set up plymouth so they don't see the startup gobbledygook ...

I don't get any "gobbledygook" at startup.
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby debiman » 2017-01-29 14:43

phenest wrote:What is the purpose of a "Welcome screen"? I get a login screen if that's what you mean?
kedaha wrote:... customarily set up plymouth so they don't see the startup gobbledygook ...

I don't get any "gobbledygook" at startup.

click the link in post #1 - it has nothing to do with plymouth.

i can see how plymouth is useful for non-tech-savvy users, or good for introducing linux.
all those error messages whizzing by - yes, some of them really are error messages, and try explaining to a linux newb that they are irrelevant, and that the only reason they don't see it on windows is because windows chooses to hide this sort of stuff completely - an explanation like that will go down "like a turd in a punch bowl" as someone once said.

but i agree with previous posts, this is not something to be created or even maintained by debian devs.
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby golinux » 2017-01-29 15:55

git.devuan.org has many personal projects that are not an 'official' part of the Devuan distribution. The welcome screen that Anto Fox forked from mintwelcome is one of those. And although there is a red Devuan wallpaper available it is not the signature color for Devuan Jessie which is a dusty purple color.

Note that Desktop is not that much of a priority for Devuan as many (if not most) Devuan users never even see a desktop. They spend their life in cli. ;)
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby tynman » 2017-01-29 16:25

Is there even such a thing as the Debian Desktop team? My impression was all of the "desktops" offered by the Debian installation program were third-party offerings, e.g., Gnome, XFCE, etc.
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby Funkygoby » 2017-01-29 16:59

VentGrey wrote:I noticed that a lot of distros have a beloved "welcome screen"
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maybe Debian Desktop users can get a little more pimped, like showing off "Hey im using Debian, it is cool".

What are your thoughts on this?


I believe this is just a packet or a default left blank in Debian.
To me this screen adds nothing to the usability therefore it is not welcomed on my computer.
I want my computer to be a slave who obeys my will and never gets in my way.

Just to add a though without any condescending (i hope).
I believe it's the same when you visit a foreign country. When you see someone and wonder "Why does he do that?!", it is generally a good idea to immerse yourself a little more into the "culture" so that you understand the people constrains and needs.
The more you travel, the more you become "open" to foreign strangeness I believe.

Ubuntu, Mint and the like are about consuming i.e. "pleasing a random user", "get pimped?" or "focus_of_the_year=random()". Those distro are 99% of the eco-system out there. So this niche is covered.
Then you have those others distros that have a different focus. Debian is about stability, universality and usability for what I can tell.
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby golinux » 2017-01-29 17:26

tynman wrote:Is there even such a thing as the Debian Desktop team? My impression was all of the "desktops" offered by the Debian installation program were third-party offerings, e.g., Gnome, XFCE, etc.
Desktops do indeed come from independent teams of developers. But the LOOK and some FUNCTIONING of those desktops can be tweaked by individual distributions deep in the bowels of debian code. Of course Gnome may have other ideas about what can and can't be done to their desktop..
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby VentGrey » 2017-01-29 17:33

To me this screen adds nothing to the usability therefore it is not welcomed on my computer.
I want my computer to be a slave who obeys my will and never gets in my way.


Then how about a first boot screen?
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby golinux » 2017-01-29 18:27

VentGrey wrote:
To me this screen adds nothing to the usability therefore it is not welcomed on my computer.
I want my computer to be a slave who obeys my will and never gets in my way.
Then how about a first boot screen?
If you want one, create one for your own setup. Then share it if you like. That's the way free software works.
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby phenest » 2017-01-29 21:04

VentGrey wrote:Then how about a first boot screen?

If it were only for the first boot, would it get removed automatically for 2nd and subsequent boots? I don't see the point of a program that is used once and once only.

I have a host of things to do after installing Debian: drivers, firmware, tweak some scripts, and install a whole bunch of software from the repository. I don't need a program to "help" me.
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby bw123 » 2017-01-29 21:13

There was a real long thread about this a yer agoe and I refuse to look it up.
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Re: Debian Welcome Screen?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-01-29 23:10

I remember that also, but don't feel like searching for it, the OP ended
up getting mad, because no one was really interested in doing it for them,..
What really is needed more then a welcome screen,
is a Welcome Prompt, the most recent, but there have been a few,:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=131374#p635225

The " Welcome Prompt", would say something like :
Welome to Debian,..."version number,etc"..
Please type 'help' for help ,and a list of commands,....
Ahh, here it is , the other thread:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=129052
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