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Thoughts on Ubuntu
I really like both Debian and Ubuntu. I have Debian running on an old pc and a laptop and Ubuntu running on another laptop. As a fairly new linux user I like ubuntu because most everything worked right away for me so I am able to go on to using it for what I need to get done. Debian to me is great because I have so much control. I do a net install and from there it is up to me what I want to install. I am becoming addicted.
I've used only Debian based distros except for som experimenta installs of some RPM based distros which I never liked. I started out with Libranet, but left it when they released a new version that cost a fortune. Then I tried Ubuntu and instantly hated it for several reasons such as the use of sudo... And I find the entire Ubuntu philosophy somewhat erie. So I moved to Kanotix which was great in many ways but based on sid is had a nasty habbit of braking something if you needed to upgrade.
What is strange is that all those communities kept warning me about going for pure Debian. "It's so hard to install", "There is no support", "The Debian community is rude and eliteist" etc etc. But I decided to give it a go anyway... and the rest is history. All three machines we have at home is now running pure Debian.
And I think that it's the myth about the 'impossible Debian' that partly keeps Ubuntu so popular. Ok, it IS easy to install and easy to use for noobs that only want to surf the net and read mail. But if you want to connect it to your network, or use it as a printerserver etc you quickly see that 'easy' is a relative term...
Tina
What is strange is that all those communities kept warning me about going for pure Debian. "It's so hard to install", "There is no support", "The Debian community is rude and eliteist" etc etc. But I decided to give it a go anyway... and the rest is history. All three machines we have at home is now running pure Debian.
And I think that it's the myth about the 'impossible Debian' that partly keeps Ubuntu so popular. Ok, it IS easy to install and easy to use for noobs that only want to surf the net and read mail. But if you want to connect it to your network, or use it as a printerserver etc you quickly see that 'easy' is a relative term...
Tina
I have always found the opposite true about the community. When I first installed Potato, I got lots of help on IRC. Yeah, there are some rude people and trolls, but there are in almost any community. It is somewhat true that "you get what you are looking for".Lavene wrote: What is strange is that all those communities kept warning me about going for pure Debian. "It's so hard to install", "There is no support", "The Debian community is rude and eliteist"
And giving away CDs for free!Lavene wrote: And I think that it's the myth about the 'impossible Debian' that partly keeps Ubuntu so popular.
I'd like to see Debian Project to get a cash infusion of $10mil.
There are lots of benefits for users from the Ubuntu project not just deb package development, but from the community. Look at the user documentation:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
It is not very difficult to install Ubuntu and then upgrade to sid. It may be the easiest route to an unstable install.
AFA the popularity, I seem to remember when Knoppix was ahead of everything else and was touted as the easiest way to install Debian. Time will tell if any commercial distros will be based on Ubuntu.
Tina, my brother-in-law was from Hafslo.
Debian Sys Admin
http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html
http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html
I just downloaded Kubuntu "dapper" and installed it on my spare machine.
A Pentium 4 2.8ghz machine with 1gig of ram.
the mobo is a P4C800-E and the video card is a GF5600.
so although it is not the fastest it is not slow either .
The first issue was that it detects the onboard promise controller as the first drive.
every other distro I have tried on this machine detects the Intel controller as the first.
Even Desktop BSD..
Second issue was that KDE crashed every time I closed Firefox.
This is a testing version of Kubuntu but even so it has a long way to go.
Kubuntu has been removed and "sid" is being reinstalled with KDE 3.5
Do not even mention the sudo cr*p
NOT FOR ME
Since Libranet folded I have been looking for a new Distro.
So far I have liked Gentoo - but it is to time consuming to install and maintain !
I actually have a life.
I like Mepis but it is a bit too lite (quick and easy to instal though)
I like Debian but "etch" is a little flakey "sid" seems to run better.
I hated Fedora (nuff said)
Kubuntu no way.
A Pentium 4 2.8ghz machine with 1gig of ram.
the mobo is a P4C800-E and the video card is a GF5600.
so although it is not the fastest it is not slow either .
The first issue was that it detects the onboard promise controller as the first drive.
every other distro I have tried on this machine detects the Intel controller as the first.
Even Desktop BSD..
Second issue was that KDE crashed every time I closed Firefox.
This is a testing version of Kubuntu but even so it has a long way to go.
Kubuntu has been removed and "sid" is being reinstalled with KDE 3.5
Do not even mention the sudo cr*p
NOT FOR ME
Since Libranet folded I have been looking for a new Distro.
So far I have liked Gentoo - but it is to time consuming to install and maintain !
I actually have a life.
I like Mepis but it is a bit too lite (quick and easy to instal though)
I like Debian but "etch" is a little flakey "sid" seems to run better.
I hated Fedora (nuff said)
Kubuntu no way.
If you would notice I am comparing Development versions of Debian to dapper
"apples to apples" plus if I recall dapper flight 4 ia at the upstream freeze stage which is
further along its cycle than etch and it is supposed to be ready in a few weeks.
and 5.10 was worse - I have to note that the system in my previous post is my oldest system
so some issues on my hardware are likely (they all work with on sid and gentoo) and no problems with mepis .
Kubuntu / ubuntu is worth my keeping an eye on but there are quite a few thing I dislike about
it.
Every distro is good for some one and some purpose - there is no one size fits all.
I am just saying that -- I -- do not like it - further I would rather use SuSe which is RPM based,
and I do not use it anymore either.
"apples to apples" plus if I recall dapper flight 4 ia at the upstream freeze stage which is
further along its cycle than etch and it is supposed to be ready in a few weeks.
and 5.10 was worse - I have to note that the system in my previous post is my oldest system
so some issues on my hardware are likely (they all work with on sid and gentoo) and no problems with mepis .
Kubuntu / ubuntu is worth my keeping an eye on but there are quite a few thing I dislike about
it.
Every distro is good for some one and some purpose - there is no one size fits all.
I am just saying that -- I -- do not like it - further I would rather use SuSe which is RPM based,
and I do not use it anymore either.
Is not fair to talk about crashes on forums when you talk about Alpha products. That's usually solved in final products.
There nothing wrong with sudo, if you want to use root you can always type "sudo -s" and you have the root prompt. If you don't know that is not fair to blame somebody else then yourself.Do not even mention the sudo cr*p
NOT FOR ME
Ubuntu hate is a mental derangement.