Debian 9 is truly a great distro

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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby dasein » 2017-07-04 13:58

woteb wrote:This is very easy to repair...

I believe NFT5's point was, quite correctly, that a "repair" shouldn't be needed at all. There is no excuse for Debian's installer to insist on changing the UUID on an existing partition. Period.

This is a long-standing bug that Debian refuses to fix (puerile arrogance at its highest).

woteb wrote:Just edit as root on every installation /etc/fstab the line for the swap.
(Emphasis altered/added)

Yours is quite a novel re-definition of the concept of "easy."
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby Bulkley » 2017-07-04 14:22

Some distributions have a graphical installer with which you can push a button, walk away, come back 45 minutes later and start using your brand new Linux. Debian has never had one of those. The prevailing philosophy is that one only has to install once so development resources are better spent elsewhere. That's my impression of it anyway. I suspect that Debian would be smarter to not use a graphical installer at all.

I have been using Stretch for most of its existence. During that time it has worked well although there were a few packages that didn't make the grade do to being dropped by their developers.
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby dasein » 2017-07-04 14:48

Bulkley wrote:Some distributions have a graphical installer with which you can push a button, walk away, come back 45 minutes later and start using your brand new Linux.

Indeed. And all such installers are, by any meaningful metric, far more usable than Debian's knuckle-dragging equivalent.
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby Bulkley » 2017-07-04 15:06

Curiously, dasein, I long ago thought that Debian should have grabbed the installer from the defunct Storm 2000 distro. It could have been an easy fit.
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby dasein » 2017-07-04 16:07

The old Anaconda installer (circa 2006 or 2007, IIRC) was amazing--best damn installer I've ever seen. Bulletproof, all user entry "front-loaded," and really quite quick (at least for its day). Sure as sh!t, Fedora/RedHat totally screwed it up a year or two later (ironically enough in the name of "improvement").

(Apologies for the hijack.)
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby woteb » 2017-07-04 16:35

dasein wrote:
woteb wrote:This is very easy to repair...

I believe NFT5's point was, quite correctly, that a "repair" shouldn't be needed at all. There is no excuse for Debian's installer to insist on changing the UUID on an existing partition. Period.

I do testing a lot of distros and Debian is surely not the only one that changes the UUID of swap. That's one of the reasons I directly change all these UUID settings to the /dev/sdxx modification. Not only swap, but also / and /home and the rest.
On a desktop with one distribution I never understood why this is necessary. With the /sdaxx I have full control over my systems. In my opinion UUID is awful for advanced users but simple for noobs. And a noob is not interested in several distros on it's system.
But this is an off-topic discussion.

Edit: Install Windows on a Linux system. Your grub is damaged and your system is Windows only without any repair.
Install Linux (eg. Debian) on a Windows system, your system is Windows and Debian hybrid dual-boot. Not any repair necessary.
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby dasein » 2017-07-04 17:06

woteb wrote:Debian is surely not the only one that changes the UUID of swap.

Other distros' ham-handed stupidity, real or imagined, doesn't excuse Debian's

woteb wrote:That's one of the reasons I directly change all these UUID settings to the /dev/sdxx modification.

Hard-coded device names is an equally bad "solution." Partition LABELs FTW!
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby woteb » 2017-07-04 17:17

dasein wrote:Hard-coded device names is an equally bad "solution." Partition LABELs

You're right, I forgot that... :mrgreen:
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby ruffwoof » 2017-07-04 17:39

dasein wrote:Partition LABELs FTW!

Cool. Thanks.

Set my sda4 that is ext2 format to have a label of ext2 and editing /etc/fstab to mount that at folder /mnt/sda4

LABEL=ext2 /mnt/sda4 ext2 defaults 0 0

... mounts that partition (Debian 8.8 Jessie).
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby chrissywissy » 2017-07-04 18:05

Installed via net-inst a couple of days after release on my old HP box with Gnome and it seems to be working well. Really like that the old Squeeze wallpaper was included, but I had to save it as jpg otherwise it took forever to load. The only other fly in the ointment is an update repo error appearing. I'll see if it sorts itself.

Very happy. A good edition of this distro.
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby golinux » 2017-07-04 18:20

That's why it's worth the effort to make it "great again" [tm]!! ;)
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby Innovate » 2017-07-05 01:04

After the day Debian 9 was release I've instantly polish most of Xfce 4.12.0 packages into 4.13.0
Now it become latest Xfce ever which I don't have to bother to
hop to Debian 10 testing, sid like other shiny syndromes anymore.
even my whiskermenu is 2.1.2. It's funny that whiskermenu doesn't exist on stretch anymore
https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw ... enu-plugin

but I've able manage to get it back.
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby HuangLao » 2017-07-05 19:31

Innovate wrote:After the day Debian 9 was release I've instantly polish most of Xfce 4.12.0 packages into 4.13.0
Now it become latest Xfce ever which I don't have to bother to
hop to Debian 10 testing, sid like other shiny syndromes anymore.
even my whiskermenu is 2.1.2. It's funny that whiskermenu doesn't exist on stretch anymore
https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw ... enu-plugin

but I've able manage to get it back.



so whats this then? https://packages.debian.org/stretch/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby Innovate » 2017-07-06 03:55


It's too late & pointless to ask me on 6th July by now.
https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw ... enu-plugin
xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin package has already came back on both links.
I even monitored saw it came back before you replied.

You didn't aware don't you? that At 5th July this package was missing from the server
Both of them was missing like phenomena event. even apt-get update & install it get nothing.
Even I search their package inside pool there was nothing in there in 5th. The package just appeared back 6th.
https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw ... enu-plugin
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/xfc ... enu-plugin
At 6th July it just appear it back like usual on both links and able to apt-get install like it should be.

At 5th it was like this
Package xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin
jessie (oldstable) (xfce): Alternate menu plugin for the Xfce desktop environment
1.4.0-1: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64el s390x
experimental (rc-buggy) (xfce): Alternate menu plugin for the Xfce desktop environment
2.1.1-1: alpha amd64 arm64 armel armhf hppa hurd-i386 i386 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 m68k mips mips64el mipsel powerpc powerpcspe ppc64 ppc64el s390x sh4 sparc64 x32

From you link yesterday was:
[ jessie ] [ experimental ]


At 6th - Today
Package xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin
jessie (oldstable) (xfce): Alternate menu plugin for the Xfce desktop environment
1.4.0-1: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64el s390x
stretch (stable) (xfce): Alternate menu plugin for the Xfce desktop environment
1.6.2-1: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mips64el mipsel ppc64el s390x
buster (testing) (xfce): Alternate menu plugin for the Xfce desktop environment
1.6.2-1: amd64 arm64 armel armhf i386 mips mips64el mipsel ppc64el s390x
sid (unstable) (xfce): Alternate menu plugin for the Xfce desktop environment
1.6.2-1: alpha amd64 arm64 armel armhf hppa hurd-i386 i386 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 m68k mips mips64el mipsel powerpc powerpcspe ppc64 ppc64el s390x sparc64 x32
1.6.1-1 [debports]: sh4
experimental (rc-buggy) (xfce): Alternate menu plugin for the Xfce desktop environment
2.1.1-1: alpha amd64 arm64 armel armhf hppa hurd-i386 i386 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 m68k mips mips64el mipsel powerpc powerpcspe ppc64 ppc64el s390x sh4 sparc64 x32

From your link 6th-Today:
[ jessie ] [ stretch ] [ buster ] [ sid ] [ experimental ]


Beside I've already got 2.1.2 by now it's pointless to revert back to 1.6.2.
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Re: Debian 9 is truly a great distro

Postby Nili » 2017-07-06 09:49

Debian It's like a good roasted strawberries :D
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