Cry: ifconfig vs IP

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Cry: ifconfig vs IP

Postby 874512 » 2017-07-05 08:19

I've been using Debian for a long time and netinstall has a its own place in my heart. But this is a bit of a cry because both the good and de bad must be told.

I started a new virtual server, just a little thing for a personal project, something that should be done in less than a single afternoon and tried the latest Debian 9 like "hey, the best distro, I don't have to deal with annoying packages :D ", this goes along with a rivalry to arch and manjaro :twisted: .

but this is a cry and the subject gives you the hint.

I started configuring interfaces and I couldn't find ifconfig, my old reliable and well known ifconfig... gone :shock: .no program, no man no apropos-fu. So I read the patch notes and it's deprecated in favor of IP due to it's lack of support. No problem, I understand, I installed net-tools and kept using ifconfig and left learning IP for another day. (hooray Debian team for keeping a reliable system). But I start researching and I find that almost 95% of the manuals I've read in the later years in which ifconfig has been deprecated or going to be in a short time, still use ifconfig to set up networks. Furthermore Debian manuals for network configuring still use ifconfig. Damn you Debian managers, why don't you update your manuals before letting them rot in oldness. it's just the logical order, update first the manual (bonus points for starting by saying that ifconfig is old and unreliable) and then kicking it off the package list).

Wo, a big cry post. I don't want to be known as a crybaby so my part is going to be this: How do I have to do to update the manuals, both in English and Spanish (my mother language)??. Also whatever discussion grows from here is going to be welcome. Have you find out reading the patch notes?, or a story similar to mine? am I right, or just a cry nobody should care

Yours trully
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Re: Cry: ifconfig vs IP

Postby acewiza » 2017-07-05 11:48

I've never been in an organization with a documentation program that actually kept pace with reality. Documentation always takes a back seat. You are doing well, if that is your biggest complaint about Debian. :wink:
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Re: Cry: ifconfig vs IP

Postby sjukfan » 2017-07-21 23:54

There were a poll a while ago on some website were people complained about the documentation and I personally think that's one of the major reason why people still think Linux is hard. Even with a black belt in Google-fu you might still end up with a tutorial for an older version and under the best of circumstances it just takes more time, under the worst you break or make your system vulnerable to something that hasn't been a problem for years. Always check and see if there's a date or a version number in a tutorial and if it's more than a couple of years old try to find something newer.

With that said, net-tools is one of the first packages I install on a fresh system :P
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Re: Cry: ifconfig vs IP

Postby edbarx » 2017-07-24 16:11

If what you are setting is a WIFI you can also go low level and use iwconfig, ifconfig, dhclient and wpa_supplicant. In the case of a wired connection you can connect by first bringing a network interface up and then assign an IP using dhclient. That way I succeeded to eliminate the use ifupdown in my version of network manager.

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As far as I can remember, systemd also supports connecting to a network but personally I do not use systemd. So, be cautious about this advice.
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