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To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 10:38
by Snake94
Good afternoon, well, it is not necessary to explain the issue of systemd or go into why it is bad, I just want to ask if debian has in their plans to change init or at least give to choose during the installation that init wants to install.

I ask because I have just heard this rumor, which should give you to choose the desired init during the installation.

I know devuan exists, and it is a very noble project but it is not debian and does not have debian support/developers.

Thank you.

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 11:29
by Lysander
You can actually change it now for yourself. Just go to settings > init and untick "systemd", you can select "Sys-V" instead if you wish.

OK, that isn't true. I don't think there are many devs here but someone may know something. You may prefer to go to the Debian Reddit - I know Chris Lamb hangs out there regularly [and that is true].

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 16:54
by dasein
Snake94 wrote:I ask because I have just heard this rumor, which should give you to choose the desired init during the installation.

Link to the source for this "rumor" or go back under your bridge.

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 16:58
by Snake94
dasein wrote:
Snake94 wrote:I ask because I have just heard this rumor, which should give you to choose the desired init during the installation.

Link to the source for this "rumor" or go back under your bridge.


If I had a source would not be a rumor do not you think?

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 17:00
by dasein
Please for the love of whatever one holds sacred, do not feed this insanely obvious troll.

(P.S> WTF is up with postimg. Their "thumbnail" is now larger than the original??)

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 17:03
by Snake94
I am no troll, I have only asked if anyone knows anything about the future of debian as far as its init is concerned.

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 17:05
by GarryRicketson
(P.S> WTF is up with postimg. Their "thumbnail" is now larger than the original??)


Don't know, can you give a example ?
If you give me a link to the image, I can fix it, and give you a link for the thumb nail.

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 17:12
by Lysander
wizard10000 wrote:I'd thought about asking forum admins if he could do an AMA here - still thinking on it.


Would be a very nice idea. Just don't do it when I'm abroad mid September!

OK, this thread has the potential for being hijacked twice.

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 17:26
by Snake94
Ok,Close the thread, if you think I'm a troll for asking a question, close the thread.

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 17:40
by dasein
Huh. Accidentally successful strategy. Making note for future reference.

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 17:48
by Snake94
dasein wrote:Huh. Accidentally successful strategy. Making note for future reference.


Do you really think I'm a troll for asking a simple question? Close the thread

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 17:57
by ruffwoof
Snake94 wrote:Good afternoon, well, it is not necessary to explain the issue of systemd or go into why it is bad, I just want to ask if debian has in their plans to change init or at least give to choose during the installation that init wants to install.

It was commonly recognised that SysV was in need of updating/changing .. for instance to move away from being serial. SystemD is one such alternative of several that caters for concurrency/parallel, along with many other benefits. If in your opinion sysD is bad, SysV is worse as that is what most are progressing away from.

No install choice, but there is a boot choice i.e. Debian can still be booted using sysV IIRC by adding something like a init=/lib/sysvinit/init kernel boot parameter. There are also 32 bit versions of Debian ... but you're out of luck if you'd rather boot 8 bit or 16 bit.

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 18:00
by Snake94
ruffwoof wrote:
Snake94 wrote:Good afternoon, well, it is not necessary to explain the issue of systemd or go into why it is bad, I just want to ask if debian has in their plans to change init or at least give to choose during the installation that init wants to install.

No install choice, but there is a boot choice i.e. Debian can still be booted using sysV IIRC by adding something like a init=/lib/sysvinit/init kernel boot parameter.


Thank you, I did not know that.

PD: It is true that sysV is very old and I understand that you are looking for alternatives, but maybe openrc would have been a healthier option from my point of view.

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 18:02
by GarryRicketson
The thing of it is, the Debian developers and others went around in circles for quite some
time, arguing about this issue, and it is all very well documented.
It all was very controversial, but it is over, the decision was made and Debian now uses systemd, As far as I know, there are no plans to change the decision that was made.
Debian will continue using systemd, and there will not be any easy way or other option for using sysV init, in the Debian releases.
So, a group of Debian developers, decided to no longer work on Debian development,
but start a new "fork", called "Devaun"
Here on this forum , it is Debian users, not Debian Developers, if you are not a troll, and
genuinely want to know about the future plans for Debian, you should ask them:
https://www.debian.org/contact
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https://www.debian.org/devel/
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https://lists.debian.org/devel.html
It probably would be better to use:
https://lists.debian.org/users.html
First, then maybe someone will point you to a better source, that is
fact, and not rumour,... a few developers do follow and read the users list.

Instead of listening to rumours, or starting a very controversial topic on forums, where "rumours"
and more rumours about the rumours are abundant, actually, many forums just close and delete any new topics, on this,... it is old history. Occasionally "trolls" do pop up, and try to start yet another "systemd" topic, generally with the same sort of comment "I heard this some where ",.... bla bla.

Re: To choose init in debian?

PostPosted: 2017-08-08 18:05
by dasein
GarryRicketson wrote:Debian Developers, if you are not a troll, and genuinely want to know about the future plans for Debian, you should ask them:

NO. Do not waste devs' time, Garry.

Contribute to the hijack(s) or let it go.

Speaking of hijacks... anyone remember the nonsense megathread? Maybe we need to morf this thread into another one.