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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby 4D696B65 » 2017-12-16 16:36

Capitain_Jack wrote:No, I am trying to spread the real knowledge about derivation on debian, and why people can try to help if the distro is a direct derivation and you can clearly see that the problem is on debian related repos, this, by itself, can help the "pure debian" likers also, as can address quickly problems related to Debian packages (no matter witch version or flavor).

You are still asking for debian users to have inside knowledge of Sparky or whatever distro to make to make educated decisions. Do you really expect us to research 100 distros just to make you happy?
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Capitain_Jack » 2017-12-16 16:42

4D696B65 wrote:
Capitain_Jack wrote:No, I am trying to spread the real knowledge about derivation on debian, and why people can try to help if the distro is a direct derivation and you can clearly see that the problem is on debian related repos, this, by itself, can help the "pure debian" likers also, as can address quickly problems related to Debian packages (no matter witch version or flavor).

You are still asking for debian users to have inside knowledge of Sparky or whatever distro to make to make educated decisions. Do you really expect us to research 100 distros just to make you happy?

Am I? or I am talking about one specific type of derivation? am I asking what here?? I opened a discution about TWO TYPES OF DERIVATION over Debian, witch is a general Debian discussion right??

I expect users to be more polite on trying to focus on help instead of "I don't support derivations" mind.
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby bw123 » 2017-12-16 16:43

Capitain_Jack wrote:[
The proof? Please, read on my post, all of it, I've been using it for almost 2 years now, migrating from dual boot debian non-free/windows 7 and seeking easy of install and game interaction. Now guess what? Not only me but every single person that needs I disseminate it, and people love linux now, but I do not use micronothing at all and game all my games, including Diablo 3 and others.


I know you must be real proud, but really.. you ran linux for a few years, and you got some games working, so what?
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Thorny » 2017-12-16 16:45

Captain_Jack

Does it suggest anything to you that, since you started this thread, there hasn't been anyone agreeing with you?
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Capitain_Jack » 2017-12-16 16:46

Capitain_Jack wrote:I expect users to be more polite on trying to focus on help instead of "I don't support derivations" mind.

As stated before, an direct derivation have debian on its core, and most of them is just specific software/firmware only, so if a problem is on the debian part of that derivation, is interesting to have no frontiers on this.
If the problem is surely related to issues involving mistaken repos, like the post I mentioned before, you can still help by explaning the flavors and showing knowledge on the complete Debain universe, after all, is this a debian user forum or what?
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Capitain_Jack » 2017-12-16 16:47

Thorny wrote:Captain_Jack

Does it suggest anything to you that, since you started this thread, there hasn't been anyone agreeing with you?

Yes man, and I am not saying nothing new, everything is there into docs...
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Capitain_Jack » 2017-12-16 16:47

bw123 wrote:
Capitain_Jack wrote:[
The proof? Please, read on my post, all of it, I've been using it for almost 2 years now, migrating from dual boot debian non-free/windows 7 and seeking easy of install and game interaction. Now guess what? Not only me but every single person that needs I disseminate it, and people love linux now, but I do not use micronothing at all and game all my games, including Diablo 3 and others.


I know you must be real proud, but really.. you ran linux for a few years, and you got some games working, so what?

So what what?
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Capitain_Jack » 2017-12-16 16:49

bw123 wrote:I know you must be real proud

How many end users you made a install for them and they never go back to windows? I did this all time, no matter age...
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby bw123 » 2017-12-16 16:54

Capitain_Jack wrote:
bw123 wrote:I know you must be real proud

How many end users you made a install for them and they never go back to windows? I did this all time, no matter age...


It's not a contest, and your accomplishemnts don't give you a right to dictate. I admire anybody that has a passion for linux, you should join with the debian way and turn from the dark side completely.
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2017-12-16 17:10

1. "Pure" Debian:
Debian without non-free or contrib packages. All of it is free and can be modified, changed and recompiled. You can make your custom distro with it and no one will bat an eye. Ran by people with a passion for free software, or those whose hardware supports it.

2. "Normal" Debian, i.e. Debian as most people use it, "Debian for human beings" (pun intended):
User is using whatever software makes running his computer as best it can. That software is packaged in Debian, user does not need to install anything outside Debian's repos. Debian is even kind enough to give those users "unofficial" image containing non-free firmware. This is still "a less pure, but still normall" Debian.

3. Debian derivative, or a distribution based on Debian core packages, as OP puts it. Does not matter if it's a "direct" derivative or not:
Most of packages are same as in Debian, but the distro makers insert some of their own configurations, 3rd party packages for easier install (example Skype, Chrome). This distro, although based on Debian, is not considered true Debian. It is something else entirely. Therefore, people seeking help about that distro should seek help from the makers of that distro. Not from Debian users, because we don't know which packages or configs are different on those distros from "normal" Debian.

OP, do you get it now? Do you understand now what people want to tell you here?
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Capitain_Jack » 2017-12-16 17:12

bw123 wrote:
Capitain_Jack wrote:
bw123 wrote:I know you must be real proud

How many end users you made a install for them and they never go back to windows? I did this all time, no matter age...


It's not a contest, and your accomplishemnts don't give you a right to dictate. I admire anybody that has a passion for linux, you should join with the debian way and turn from the dark side completely.

Man, is this type of thinking I am talking about. I don't see this as dark side, and I am (if you didn't read) a Debian (almost pure, with non-free repo) experienced user. Have you ever put together a pvpgn server? I made it within one Debian install, and it does need a windows executable to work...

Who said it is a contest? It wasn't me.
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Capitain_Jack » 2017-12-16 17:15

Wheelerof4te wrote:1. "Pure" Debian:
Debian without non-free or contrib packages. All of it is free and can be modified, changed and recompiled. You can make your custom distro with it and no one will bat an eye. Ran by people with a passion for free software, or those whose hardware supports it.

2. "Normal" Debian, i.e. Debian as most people use it, "Debian for human beings" (pun intended):
User is using whatever software makes running his computer as best it can. That software is packaged in Debian, user does not need to install anything outside Debian's repos. Debian is even kind enough to give those users "unofficial" image containing non-free firmware. This is still "a less pure, but still normall" Debian.

3. Debian derivative, or a distribution based on Debian core packages, as OP puts it. Does not matter if it's a "direct" derivative or not:
Most of packages are same as in Debian, but the distro makers insert some of their own configurations, 3rd party packages for easier install (example Skype, Chrome). This distro, although based on Debian, is not considered true Debian. It is something else entirely. Therefore, people seeking help about that distro should seek help from the makers of that distro. Not from Debian users, because we don't know which packages or configs are different on those distros from "normal" Debian.

OP, do you get it now? Do you understand now what people want to tell you here?


Sir, I do know all those statements. And you, know what this post is about??
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2017-12-16 17:19

^About people using Debian derivatives coming here to ask for help, even though those derivatives are not Debian?

On a side note, thank you for pimping my post count :D
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Capitain_Jack » 2017-12-16 17:21

Let's be clear, this post is to enlighten the differences from on type of derivation to the other, and how they relate to Debian. That said, what can be done to be more friendly over the direct derivation that is entirely based on Debian, offering only software (as by including the non-free is already not pure debian) and not so closed mind into the point of not even reading the question, like the post I mentioned before.
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

Postby Capitain_Jack » 2017-12-16 17:23

Wheelerof4te wrote:^About people using Debian derivatives coming here to ask for help, even though those derivatives are not Debian?

On a side note, thank you for pimping my post count :D


No sir, it is as the title says: Direct vs Rebuilt derivates, differences and the fact that some direct derivates are Debian into the core, so into this aspect, can be addressed as a "Debian user" problem.
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