Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.

[Capitain_Jack]

No, I am trying to spread the real knowledge about derivation on debian, and why people can try to help if the distro is a direct derivation and you can clearly see that the problem is on debian related repos, this, by itself, can help the "pure debian" likers also, as can address quickly problems related to Debian packages (no matter witch version or flavor).

You are still asking for debian users to have inside knowledge of Sparky or whatever distro to make to make educated decisions. Do you really expect us to research 100 distros just to make you happy?

Am I? or I am talking about one specific type of derivation? am I asking what here?? I opened a discution about TWO TYPES OF DERIVATION over Debian, witch is a general Debian discussion right??

I expect users to be more polite on trying to focus on help instead of "I don't support derivations" mind.

[bw123]

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The proof? Please, read on my post, all of it, I've been using it for almost 2 years now, migrating from dual boot debian non-free/windows 7 and seeking easy of install and game interaction. Now guess what? Not only me but every single person that needs I disseminate it, and people love linux now, but I do not use micronothing at all and game all my games, including Diablo 3 and others.

I know you must be real proud, but really.. you ran linux for a few years, and you got some games working, so what?

[Thorny]

Captain_Jack

Does it suggest anything to you that, since you started this thread, there hasn't been anyone agreeing with you?

[Capitain_Jack]

I expect users to be more polite on trying to focus on help instead of "I don't support derivations" mind.

As stated before, an direct derivation have debian on its core, and most of them is just specific software/firmware only, so if a problem is on the debian part of that derivation, is interesting to have no frontiers on this.
If the problem is surely related to issues involving mistaken repos, like the post I mentioned before, you can still help by explaning the flavors and showing knowledge on the complete Debain universe, after all, is this a debian user forum or what?

[Capitain_Jack]

Captain_Jack

Does it suggest anything to you that, since you started this thread, there hasn't been anyone agreeing with you?

Yes man, and I am not saying nothing new, everything is there into docs...

[Capitain_Jack]

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The proof? Please, read on my post, all of it, I've been using it for almost 2 years now, migrating from dual boot debian non-free/windows 7 and seeking easy of install and game interaction. Now guess what? Not only me but every single person that needs I disseminate it, and people love linux now, but I do not use micronothing at all and game all my games, including Diablo 3 and others.

I know you must be real proud, but really.. you ran linux for a few years, and you got some games working, so what?

So what what?

[Capitain_Jack]

I know you must be real proud

How many end users you made a install for them and they never go back to windows? I did this all time, no matter age...

[bw123]

I know you must be real proud

How many end users you made a install for them and they never go back to windows? I did this all time, no matter age...

It's not a contest, and your accomplishemnts don't give you a right to dictate. I admire anybody that has a passion for linux, you should join with the debian way and turn from the dark side completely.

[Wheelerof4te]

1. "Pure" Debian:
Debian without non-free or contrib packages. All of it is free and can be modified, changed and recompiled. You can make your custom distro with it and no one will bat an eye. Ran by people with a passion for free software, or those whose hardware supports it.

2. "Normal" Debian, i.e. Debian as most people use it, "Debian for human beings" (pun intended):
User is using whatever software makes running his computer as best it can. That software is packaged in Debian, user does not need to install anything outside Debian's repos. Debian is even kind enough to give those users "unofficial" image containing non-free firmware. This is still "a less pure, but still normall" Debian.

3. Debian derivative, or a distribution based on Debian core packages, as OP puts it. Does not matter if it's a "direct" derivative or not:
Most of packages are same as in Debian, but the distro makers insert some of their own configurations, 3rd party packages for easier install (example Skype, Chrome). This distro, although based on Debian, is not considered true Debian. It is something else entirely. Therefore, people seeking help about that distro should seek help from the makers of that distro. Not from Debian users, because we don't know which packages or configs are different on those distros from "normal" Debian.

OP, do you get it now? Do you understand now what people want to tell you here?

[Capitain_Jack]

I know you must be real proud

How many end users you made a install for them and they never go back to windows? I did this all time, no matter age...

It's not a contest, and your accomplishemnts don't give you a right to dictate. I admire anybody that has a passion for linux, you should join with the debian way and turn from the dark side completely.

Man, is this type of thinking I am talking about. I don't see this as dark side, and I am (if you didn't read) a Debian (almost pure, with non-free repo) experienced user. Have you ever put together a pvpgn server? I made it within one Debian install, and it does need a windows executable to work...

Who said it is a contest? It wasn't me.

[Capitain_Jack]

1. "Pure" Debian:
Debian without non-free or contrib packages. All of it is free and can be modified, changed and recompiled. You can make your custom distro with it and no one will bat an eye. Ran by people with a passion for free software, or those whose hardware supports it.

2. "Normal" Debian, i.e. Debian as most people use it, "Debian for human beings" (pun intended):
User is using whatever software makes running his computer as best it can. That software is packaged in Debian, user does not need to install anything outside Debian's repos. Debian is even kind enough to give those users "unofficial" image containing non-free firmware. This is still "a less pure, but still normall" Debian.

3. Debian derivative, or a distribution based on Debian core packages, as OP puts it. Does not matter if it's a "direct" derivative or not:
Most of packages are same as in Debian, but the distro makers insert some of their own configurations, 3rd party packages for easier install (example Skype, Chrome). This distro, although based on Debian, is not considered true Debian. It is something else entirely. Therefore, people seeking help about that distro should seek help from the makers of that distro. Not from Debian users, because we don't know which packages or configs are different on those distros from "normal" Debian.

OP, do you get it now? Do you understand now what people want to tell you here?

Sir, I do know all those statements. And you, know what this post is about??

[Wheelerof4te]

^About people using Debian derivatives coming here to ask for help, even though those derivatives are not Debian?

On a side note, thank you for pimping my post count

[Capitain_Jack]

Let's be clear, this post is to enlighten the differences from on type of derivation to the other, and how they relate to Debian. That said, what can be done to be more friendly over the direct derivation that is entirely based on Debian, offering only software (as by including the non-free is already not pure debian) and not so closed mind into the point of not even reading the question, like the post I mentioned before.

[Capitain_Jack]

^About people using Debian derivatives coming here to ask for help, even though those derivatives are not Debian?

On a side note, thank you for pimping my post count

No sir, it is as the title says: Direct vs Rebuilt derivates, differences and the fact that some direct derivates are Debian into the core, so into this aspect, can be addressed as a "Debian user" problem.

[GarryRicketson]

Debian (almost pure, with non-free repo) experienced user. Have you ever put together a pvpgn server? I made it within one Debian install, and it does need a windows executable to work.

"Debian , almost pure" Is not the same as Debian, pure water H2O, is no longer,H2O, when something else has been added or removed either.

and it does need a windows executable to work.

Debian does not require a window executable to work, if it requires a windows executable to run, it is not Debian,

A pvpgn server is not a Debian server , either, .........You seem very confused
about what Debian really is.

...... Are you related to bester69,? he is our honorable frankendebian expert, here on this forum

[arochester]

It seems, Daniel, that you have made no friends or influenced anyone here.

[steve_v]

Have you ever put together a pvpgn server? I made it within one Debian install, and it does need a windows executable to work...

What's with the pissing contest guys?

FWIW, and on the OT, I can't be bothered investigating why Nooby-Noobness's Kali Linux Desktop is messed up, because I don't know Kali Linux (or many of the other 1000+ "Debian derivatives"). So I'll point such questions at the appropriate forums.
This is the Debian user forum, and trying to support hundreds of distros that are slightly different in unknown ways is madness.
Most distros have dedicated support channels, use them.

what can be done to be more friendly over the direct derivation that is entirely based on Debian

Umm, post links to the appropriate forum? Say "go away" in a nicer way? Put a big sign on the door?
Why do we want this, anyway?


My take on this thread is leaning further towards "obvious troll is obvious" by the moment...

[4D696B65]

^About people using Debian derivatives coming here to ask for help, even though those derivatives are not Debian?

On a side note, thank you for pimping my post count

No sir, it is as the title says: Direct vs Rebuilt derivates, differences and the fact that some direct derivates are Debian into the core, so into this aspect, can be addressed as a "Debian user" problem.

Not necessarily. Many "direct" derivatives have different config files that we here at "pure" debian user forums might not know about.

[Capitain_Jack]

"Debian , almost pure" Is not the same as Debian, pure water H2O, is no longer,H2O, when something else has been added or removed either.

Can you run wine on pure non-free debian? nope. thats why. So, again, will you deny help if the user is using non-free Debian repo?

Debian does not require a window executable to work, if it requires a windows executable to run, it is not Debian,

You know nothing about Diablo 2 Private battlenet servers. I said about what I need to run the server, not Debian, if you don't know the difference, please, do not spread misinformation.

A pvpgn server is not a Debian server , either, .........You seem very confused
about what Debian really is.

Please, do a quick search and you'll notice the confused is you.
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pvpgn

...... Are you related to bester69,? he is our honorable frankendebian expert, here on this forum

Nope, never saw.

[Capitain_Jack]

^About people using Debian derivatives coming here to ask for help, even though those derivatives are not Debian?

On a side note, thank you for pimping my post count

No sir, it is as the title says: Direct vs Rebuilt derivates, differences and the fact that some direct derivates are Debian into the core, so into this aspect, can be addressed as a "Debian user" problem.

Not necessarily. Many "direct" derivatives have different config files that we here at "pure" debian user forums might not know about.

Now you are talking what this post supposed to be talking about, but it took a lot of patience by me...

That's when knowing for good Debian pure is useful for all Debian eco system.