Tell me, which distro are you using now?Capitain_Jack wrote:I've been using Debian since the beginning, and derivations also
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Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.
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Tell me you, If you are into this discussion, read posted before things...Wheelerof4te wrote:Tell me, which distro are you using now?Capitain_Jack wrote:I've been using Debian since the beginning, and derivations also
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I have read,, this one and the other, I get the impression the OP is using
Sparky Linux, but wants to convince us it is not Sparky Linux, but it is Debian, but it isn't,
so it is not clear, I think it is Sparky Linux.
Sparky Linux, but wants to convince us it is not Sparky Linux, but it is Debian, but it isn't,
so it is not clear, I think it is Sparky Linux.
Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.
Ok. So what is your point exactly? Clone a distro and change the name. That is wrong in my book but hey if it is licensed that way so be it. Maybe they tweaked a file in /ect or something.Capitain_Jack wrote:You are into the "I'm pure" business...never read the derivation definition and the TWO types of derivation: DIRECT (using debian main packages) and REBUILT (from source, like Ubuntu), I am talking about direct derivations, witch in it's core is Debian (free and/or non-free, whenever it's flavor stable, testing or unstable), and normally, are only software repos.4D696B65 wrote:Umm yes? I deny help for things that I think are wrong. Even if Ubuntu said it was good.
Or take debians packages and recompile them so the are no longer binary compatible?
Either way, Why should we support over 100 distros at the Debian user forum?
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Am I? Why? you are rude by asking this man when I already mentioned a dozen times the distro I'm talking about, but not limited to.....
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No man, I do not want to convice you this or that distro is Debian (free or non-free), please, it is this type of spirit that I am addressing, it's not a fight.GarryRicketson wrote:I have read,, this one and the other, I get the impression the OP is using
Sparky Linux, but wants to convince us it is not Sparky Linux, but it is Debian, but it isn't,
so it is not clear, I think it is Sparky Linux.
When a derivation distro uses the core of Debian, on the Debian part (everything that came from debian repo), is not Debian? for me yes it is, if you debug a software, you begin from scratch or make the wrong part fixed? that's what this post is an invitation to, help on the Debian part always, of course knowing the distro is important, but maybe you can try help people also as first thing...
Sparky have software on it's repos, and uses Debian non-free as core. Of course is Sparky, no Debian, is a direct derivation and you, as all "pure debian" trolls, is trying to put words into my talking...
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No, I am trying to spread the real knowledge about derivation on debian, and why people can try to help if the distro is a direct derivation and you can clearly see that the problem is on debian related repos, this, by itself, can help the "pure debian" likers also, as can address quickly problems related to Debian packages (no matter witch version or flavor).4D696B65 wrote:Ok. So what is your point exactly? Clone a distro and change the name. That is wrong in my book but hey if it is licensed that way so be it. Maybe they tweaked a file in /ect or something.Capitain_Jack wrote:You are into the "I'm pure" business...never read the derivation definition and the TWO types of derivation: DIRECT (using debian main packages) and REBUILT (from source, like Ubuntu), I am talking about direct derivations, witch in it's core is Debian (free and/or non-free, whenever it's flavor stable, testing or unstable), and normally, are only software repos.4D696B65 wrote:Umm yes? I deny help for things that I think are wrong. Even if Ubuntu said it was good.
Or take debians packages and recompile them so the are no longer binary compatible?
Either way, Why should we support over 100 distros at the Debian user forum?
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
Albert Einstein
"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
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"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
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Re: Debian direct derivates vs Rebuilt derivates.
You have offered no proof to your claim that direct is better than rebuilt. The topic isn't "pure" debian, you are saying that sparky is somehow different than other debian-based, and their repos are compatible. Where is the proof?Capitain_Jack wrote: Of course is Sparky, no Debian, is a direct derivation and you, as all "pure debian" trolls, is trying to put words into my talking...
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See, until now, very expirenced users tryied out to make a fight, not even reading what I meaning by saying that the core of a direct derivation is Debian (take out non-free and distro software, what is left?).
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That is, until you realise those derivatives have their own forum.Capitain_Jack wrote:No, I am trying to spread the real knowledge about derivation on debian, and why people can try to help if the distro is a direct derivation and you can clearly see that the problem is on debian related repos, this, by itself, can help the "pure debian" likers also, as can address quickly problems related to Debian packages (no matter witch version or flavor).
For the last time, direct Debian derivatives may have the same Debian core as "pure" Debian.
But at the same time, even Ubuntu has the same Debian core, so let's happily welcome all Ubuntu users here on Debian User Forums. Why those Ubuntu forums even exist? /sarcasm
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First: I did not claimed one is better than the other.bw123 wrote:You have offered no proof to your claim that direct is better than rebuilt. The topic isn't "pure" debian, you are saying that sparky is somehow different than other debian-based, and their repos are compatible. Where is the proof?Capitain_Jack wrote: Of course is Sparky, no Debian, is a direct derivation and you, as all "pure debian" trolls, is trying to put words into my talking...
The proof? Please, read on my post, all of it, I've been using it for almost 2 years now, migrating from dual boot debian non-free/windows 7 and seeking easy of install and game interaction. Now guess what? Not only me but every single person that needs I disseminate it, and people love linux now, but I do not use micronothing at all and game all my games, including Diablo 3 and others.
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
Albert Einstein
"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
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"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
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Thanks man, you showed how much knowledge you have on TWO types of derivation and what do that mean....not being sarcastic.Wheelerof4te wrote: For the last time, direct Debian derivatives may have the same Debian core as "pure" Debian.
But at the same time, even Ubuntu has the same Debian core, so let's happily welcome all Ubuntu users here on Debian User Forums. Why those Ubuntu forums even exist? /sarcasm
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"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
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"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
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What u talking about? didn't got your thinking...can please be more clear?wizard10000 wrote:You know, Jack - I have a rule in my house. I don't allow guests to defecate on my carpet.
Some people think that's horribly unfair but it is my house and my rules; and I suggest the people who don't agree with my rules go visit someone who will let them defecate on their carpet. You can argue all you want to about my decision not to allow guests to defecate on my carpet, but it's pretty unlikely you'll get me to change my rule.
If this house doesn't meet your needs perhaps the thing to do would be to find a house that does meet your needs or build one yourself
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Albert Einstein
"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
Buddha
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"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
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You are still asking for debian users to have inside knowledge of Sparky or whatever distro to make to make educated decisions. Do you really expect us to research 100 distros just to make you happy?Capitain_Jack wrote: No, I am trying to spread the real knowledge about derivation on debian, and why people can try to help if the distro is a direct derivation and you can clearly see that the problem is on debian related repos, this, by itself, can help the "pure debian" likers also, as can address quickly problems related to Debian packages (no matter witch version or flavor).
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Am I? or I am talking about one specific type of derivation? am I asking what here?? I opened a discution about TWO TYPES OF DERIVATION over Debian, witch is a general Debian discussion right??4D696B65 wrote:You are still asking for debian users to have inside knowledge of Sparky or whatever distro to make to make educated decisions. Do you really expect us to research 100 distros just to make you happy?Capitain_Jack wrote: No, I am trying to spread the real knowledge about derivation on debian, and why people can try to help if the distro is a direct derivation and you can clearly see that the problem is on debian related repos, this, by itself, can help the "pure debian" likers also, as can address quickly problems related to Debian packages (no matter witch version or flavor).
I expect users to be more polite on trying to focus on help instead of "I don't support derivations" mind.
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
Albert Einstein
"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
Buddha
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"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
Buddha
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I know you must be real proud, but really.. you ran linux for a few years, and you got some games working, so what?Capitain_Jack wrote:[
The proof? Please, read on my post, all of it, I've been using it for almost 2 years now, migrating from dual boot debian non-free/windows 7 and seeking easy of install and game interaction. Now guess what? Not only me but every single person that needs I disseminate it, and people love linux now, but I do not use micronothing at all and game all my games, including Diablo 3 and others.
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Captain_Jack
Does it suggest anything to you that, since you started this thread, there hasn't been anyone agreeing with you?
Does it suggest anything to you that, since you started this thread, there hasn't been anyone agreeing with you?
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As stated before, an direct derivation have debian on its core, and most of them is just specific software/firmware only, so if a problem is on the debian part of that derivation, is interesting to have no frontiers on this.Capitain_Jack wrote: I expect users to be more polite on trying to focus on help instead of "I don't support derivations" mind.
If the problem is surely related to issues involving mistaken repos, like the post I mentioned before, you can still help by explaning the flavors and showing knowledge on the complete Debain universe, after all, is this a debian user forum or what?
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"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
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"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
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Yes man, and I am not saying nothing new, everything is there into docs...Thorny wrote:Captain_Jack
Does it suggest anything to you that, since you started this thread, there hasn't been anyone agreeing with you?
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
Albert Einstein
"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
Buddha
Albert Einstein
"All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain?"
Buddha