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Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

#41 Post by stevepusser »

Monoculture also works great in agriculture! Just ask the Irish in 1843, or the growers of the Gros Michel banana in the 1950s!
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#42 Post by sunrat »

makh wrote:1. This is not WM discussion... sorry to repeat again.
This is a public forum. You can plant a seed but it will grow wherever it likes.
2. This is a focus for a better Linux or Debian "DESKTOP", which has failed from last 25+ years. Still people prefer the closed source OSes with anti viruses.
Hasn't failed for me.
3. I am not against 20+ OR 2000+ same project, but atleast like Debian, Fedora, Opensuse and probably a few others, a few desktops like xfce, cinnamon or KDE should be feature complete with good basic applications, for normal users. (and the same projects should be branches of each other).
Having many similar programs is not only a Linux thing. I searched for "windows text editor" and got 6.5 million results. One was "32 best simple text editors for Windows as of 2018". Who knows how many were not best or simple?

Oh yeah, now weather has been mentioned:

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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

#43 Post by makh »

sunrat wrote:...
Hello
This discussion on Linux: mono - kernel
Not the diversified: Minix

But I respect views of others, ... on contrary I have mines...

Secondly:

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2018/01/18 11:42:07 Malformed response.
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#44 Post by sunrat »

makh wrote:But I respect views of others, ... on contrary I have mines...
I can see your point to some extent. I use Plasma 5.10 and it's the first Plasma 5 that hasn't annoyed me with too many bugs (looking at you Stretch with 5.8 ). With less choice of DE projects maybe more people would have worked on it and 5.8 might have been where 5.10 is now. With a lot less DE however, say only Gnome and Cinnamon, the situation would be unbearable if you didn't like those two. Maybe more choice means more people find something they like even if it takes a bit longer for development.
Whatever anyone thinks or talks about in a forum, it's not going to change and any attempt would be like trying to catch the wind. This topic has probably been debated ever since the second Linux distribution was released.
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#45 Post by debiman »

makh wrote:2. This is a focus for a better Linux or Debian "DESKTOP", which has failed from last 25+ years.
no it isn't.
it is, and was from the start, a rant about having too many applications.
Still people prefer the closed source OSes with anti viruses.
so in your opinion linux will be succesful when it becomes the most used desktop OS.
boy, do i feel sorry for you.
4. If this is trolling, you dont need to post anything, at all.
yes, it IS trolling. you really don't need to post anything. at all.

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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

#46 Post by makh »

Hi

Theres always room for improvement...

The desktop enhancements like these:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... Initiative

But ... they should keep the option of old interfaces, still intact.

It is difficult for some people to adapt to changes. A Desktop shoud remain desktop, rather than become a touch mobile thing.

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#47 Post by Wheelerof4te »

makh wrote:A Desktop shoud remain desktop, rather than become a touch mobile thing.
This is becoming more and more meaningless since small notebooks, tablets and smartphones already saturate the consumer market. Only hardcore gamers and office workers need desktops now, the rest is (semi)mobile.
The future is all about mini computers and all-in-one devices, such as smartphones. Today's children are tomorrow's adults. Those children are getting used to touch-screens. As such, modern graphical environments (GE) have to adapt.

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makh wrote:But ... they should keep the option of old interfaces, still intact.
weren't you preaching less choice all the time?

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#50 Post by Wheelerof4te »

^I have read carefuly until he spewed this nonsense:
Think about it. The one big breakthrough in the Linux world was - and still is - Ubuntu. Everything changed once Mark Shuttleworth decided to step into this world, business savvy, rich and focused. In a short span of years, he commercialized the distribution he created, he set up a fairly successful company, and he made the Linux desktop recognizable and synonymous with Ubuntu. We have the classic business model - a leader, a company, clear goals, things being run with real objectives. Has not been replicated since by any pluralistic model.
He clearly missed one big elephant in the room, named Debian. But then again, he does not like Debian for some reason:
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/debian-9.html
EDIT: Another gem:
I have always claimed that 90% of all distributions are unnecessary. I still believe that, and I think the actual percentage is even higher. Only a few systems should remain, and the superb, unique ideas from individual projects merged. Because yes, you do get occasional brilliance in Linux, like everywhere else in life. Grab the SUSE installer, grab the MX Tools, grab Ubuntu Dash, and cobble together a wonder.
Grab the Debian repos, grab the Debian devs, grab apt, grab DFSG, grab GNU...I could go on some more, but you get the point.

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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

#51 Post by zerubbabel »

He clearly missed one big elephant in the room, named Debian. But then again, he does not like Debian for some reason:
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/debian-9.html
I was perplexed to read this posting, as I ran Ubuntu and Mint for almost ten years before I decided to try Debian. I've been running Debian Testing now for over six months, with the Cinnamon desktop, and it's been delightful -- nimble, stable, fresh. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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Re: Desktop Applications (20+ for every one task)

#52 Post by debiman »

dedoimedo is such a fool.
writing "technical" reviews, aimed at "normal" users, he himself (let's just assume he's male) doesn't seem to have learned anything in over a decade, dismissing (and dissing) everything that does not please him immediately, like a 13 year old smartphone junkie with attention deficit disorder.

there's quite a few elephants that dedoimedo missed - debian, redhat, slackware, archlinux and many more distros that are much older than cuttleworth's cockup and still alive and kicking (not to mention even older forerunners that are no more, or newer ones that employ canonical's "ideas" with equal or more success).
but i guess the incompetent need exactly one hero to worship, lest they get confused.

also dedoimedo seems to be confusing a herd of "upstream" developers/coders/programers with distro maintainers.
and forgets that a similar herd of "egos" exists for ALL operating systems.
dozens of freemium note-taking apps for windows, just a random example.

also many linux distros have distinctly hierarchical structures, but still manage to be democratic, consensual and community-driven.
wrap your head around that, single-minded fool!

also this:
Because yes, you do get occasional brilliance in Linux, like everywhere else in life. Grab the SUSE installer, grab the MX Tools, grab Ubuntu Dash, and cobble together a wonder.
sounds like dedoimedo just invented distro nr. 1001.
so much for egos.

as always with such articles, i wonder why the writer even still bothers with gnu/linux after so many years?
clearly the commercial & proprietary OSs of this world are much more focused and better, no?

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