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Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 00:49
by llewellen
Capitalism failed back in 2008 and now only "works" for the very rich.

But anyway, enough of the politics...


Capitalism has only ever worked from the very beginning of its misbegotten incarnation with state intervention and support. Consider, for example, where would capitalism be today if the concept of limited liability corporations had not been legislated into existence as a stop loss mechanism for capitalist investors.

But enough of politico-economic theory. What's the latest credible flavour of Linux to surface? :)

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 04:15
by pawRoot
Name one country that wasn't destroyed by communism.
Communism is for people who failed at life and blame everything just not themselves, evil corporations blablabla.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Also, you might want to ask the folks in Spain & Italy how Capitalism is working for them.

How did it work for them ? i don't know anything about Italy or Spain failing because of capitalism.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Capitalism failed back in 2008 and now only "works" for the very rich.


You are free to go and create another Microsoft, then buy tons of other companies, just maybe you are just not smart enough, no offence.

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 06:35
by debiman
[OT]
the word capitalism contains "Capital", and i'm indeed somewhat against that idea: that amassing huge amounts of capital is the way to go.
i always preferred the term "Market Economy", esp. as in "Social Market Economy". This is a system that is working (how well is up for judgement) in most countries in the world. i don't really want to change that.
i think it's most important to strike a balance between the "social" and the "market economy".
i'm glad i live in a country that does that fairly well, afaics.
i wouldn't want to live in a country whose goverment thinks that the "social" bit is just cruft and ballast from the past, and needs to be eradicated.

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 08:35
by Head_on_a_Stick
llewellen wrote:What's the latest credible flavour of Linux to surface? :)

I like Xebian, I have a soft spot for Debian stable based distributions and they have a lovely desktop :)

Oh, and Devuan have their ASCII release out, with an OpenRC boot option!

pawRoot wrote:You are free to go and create another Microsoft, then buy tons of other companies

I have no desire to sequester the wealth of the world away from it's inhabitants.

ohnonot wrote:This is a system that is working

Any system that allows over 5 million children a year to die of starvation while the richest few wallow in disgusting luxury is fundamentally broken, IMO.

And remember folks: the government is part of the problem, not part of the solution :mrgreen:

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 08:50
by Wheelerof4te
[OT last time]

Capitalism is in it's economic sense same as Fascism. Only those with power can get wealthy, so you have the famous 1% at the top, 25-30% in the middle, while the rest struggle to survive and eat crumbs that fall from the others. The fact you never see this side of story is easily explained: media controled by the rich. Just go to your local news site, what are they writing about? Also, you get the decline of cultural values, the reality shows, sex promoted as a commodity, rise of all kinds of minority complexes into the public eyes, etc..

Social Democracy with the proper referendum system in place (such as the one in Switzerland) with the mix of high-taxes social economy taken from the Scandinavian countries is the way to go. Socialism as the phase towards Communism (which actually never took place anywhere, ever) takes too long and imporvishes people, so in the end they always rebel before ascending to the Communism phase.

Every extreme is bad, no matter how good the idea may seem. If you need any proof of Capitalism's failure, just take this recent aquisition as an example. Microsoft just brought gigantic market share just using virtual stock bonds that at the time valued 7,5 billion $. By the next few months, those could have valued maybe 5 billion. In Capitalism, who controls the prices, the value and the market share? If your answe is "the market", then you are dellusional.

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 09:58
by debiman
i edited my last post to include the proper wikipedia links, just so you understand i'm not just throwing keywords around.

i should add that i assume democracy, also.
although Parliamentarism is somewhat less than democratic...

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
ohnonot wrote:This is a system that is working

Any system that allows over 5 million children a year to die of starvation while the richest few wallow in disgusting luxury is fundamentally broken, IMO.

misquoting again.
you sure need an outlet for being the ever-helpful and understanding guy over on bunsenlabs forums, don't you.

well i did say it's up for discussion...

connecting these two things assumes that a different system would make do with starvation.
pray, tell us more about that.

and just to clarify, i'm not a fan of starvation.

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 10:05
by Head_on_a_Stick
debiman wrote:you sure need an outlet for being the ever-helpful and understanding guy over on bunsenlabs forums, don't you

Yes, I am a strange individual, I get a kick out of helping people, isn't that weird? :shock:

debiman wrote:connecting these two things

My rather glib statement was intended to illustrate the inherent inequalities which are fundamental to the Capitalist system, I am in favour of a more equal distribution of wealth.

Any further questions please follow the instructions in my signature and navigate to /usr/share/doc/anarchism :mrgreen:

debiman wrote:it's up for discussion

Not in this thread, please stay on topic :P

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 14:06
by llewellen
Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Oh, and Devuan have their ASCII release out, with an OpenRC boot option!


I'm going to open a new thread on this because, in my eager but naive newcomer state, I have some questions about Devuan and the various alternatives to systemd.

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 14:10
by Wheelerof4te
llewellen wrote:I'm going to open a new thread on this because, in my eager but naive newcomer state, I have some questions about Devuan and the various alternatives to systemd.

No need for that, we already have such thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=134342

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 14:19
by llewellen
Wheelerof4te wrote:
llewellen wrote:I'm going to open a new thread on this because, in my eager but naive newcomer state, I have some questions about Devuan and the various alternatives to systemd.

No need for that, we already have such thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=134342


I read that. My question is slightly different.

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 16:36
by GarryRicketson
llewellen wrote:
I'm going to open a new thread on this because, in my eager but naive newcomer state, I have some questions about Devuan and the various alternatives to systemd.

If you really have questions about Devuan you should ask here:
https://dev1galaxy.org/

What does that have to do with " Microsoft might buy GitHub", any way ?

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-10 23:34
by llivv
at the risk of openin up a thing that should not be

oh well
lord help us
linux.com

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-11 05:02
by debiman
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
debiman wrote:you sure need an outlet for being the ever-helpful and understanding guy over on bunsenlabs forums, don't you

Yes, I am a strange individual, I get a kick out of helping people, isn't that weird? :shock:
you aren't getting my meaning (on purpose?).
your debian forums persona is very different from your bunsenlabs persona; you are much more abusive here.
i think you need the outlet, after a hard day of helping people on bunsenlabs.
i think it's dishonest and double-tongued.

My rather glib statement was intended to illustrate the inherent inequalities which are fundamental to the Capitalist system, I am in favour of a more equal distribution of wealth.
...which isn't exactly the same as social market economy, which was sort of the whole point of my previous-previous post.
i think in addition to your raging base needs coming out, your attention span is also completely depleted after a hard day at bunsenlabs.

debiman wrote:it's up for discussion

Not in this thread, please stay on topic :P

we're all laughing.

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-11 05:10
by Head_on_a_Stick
debiman wrote:you are much more abusive here

I am much more honest here, bunsenlabs.org is a warm and fluffy place so I try to behave myself and be nice.

debiman wrote:your attention span is also completely depleted

No, it's not that, I just have no interest in engaging in a protracted discussion about this subject.

Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

PostPosted: 2018-06-11 05:25
by debiman
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
debiman wrote:you are much more abusive here

I am much more honest here, bunsenlabs.org is a warm and fluffy place so I try to behave myself and be nice.
which is exactly what i said, only the other way around.

debiman wrote:your attention span is also completely depleted

No, it's not that, I just have no interest in engaging in a protracted discussion about this subject.

false justification. no interest means you stop posting.