Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests?

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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby kcin » 2018-07-29 23:14

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kcin wrote:Number one is that wallpapers aren't dynamically scalable for each resolution, if you place something to the left or right, once cut down the distance between top and bottom will not be equal and it will look off. Number two is that the center is typically not used for desktop icons so that the design is not covered up.

We got around this in Devuan with narrow-small, wide-small, narrow-large and wide-large options that work reasonably on all resolutions. Here it is with custom theme and icons. If you're interested we did grub and login too. (Don't want to hijack your thread.)


I like the muted and basic design, very corporate. I think that wallpaper demonstrates in some ways what I mean, because the logo is not centered or at least adjusted properly it feels very off balance to me. The consistency between up down relation should be 1 part top and 2 parts bottom, but it doesn't line up properly depending on the resolution.

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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby golinux » 2018-07-30 00:11

kcin wrote:
golinux wrote:
kcin wrote:Number one is that wallpapers aren't dynamically scalable for each resolution, if you place something to the left or right, once cut down the distance between top and bottom will not be equal and it will look off. Number two is that the center is typically not used for desktop icons so that the design is not covered up.
We got around this in Devuan with narrow-small, wide-small, narrow-large and wide-large options that work reasonably on all resolutions. Here it is with custom theme and icons. If you're interested we did grub and login too. (Don't want to hijack your thread.)

I like the muted and basic design, very corporate.

Muhahahaha. You are a real comedian!

I think that wallpaper demonstrates in some ways what I mean, because the logo is not centered or at least adjusted properly it feels very off balance to me.

Did you actually look at the wallpaper without the windows and icons? It is very well balanced IMO. In any case, what happens here makes no diff to me since I've moved on from the train-wreck that Debian has become . . .
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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby cds60601 » 2018-07-30 00:25

"In any case, what happens here makes no diff to me since I've moved on from the train-wreck that Debian has become . . "

If you don't care, why participate in this thread or the forum for that matter?
I think it may be a valid question since it just seems a tab contradictory to me (Well, that's the way I'm reading. Others may not see it that way).

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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby kcin » 2018-07-30 00:47

golinux wrote:Muhahahaha. You are a real comedian!


I'm being serious, corporate design tends to be very clean and well developed. Search for corporate design and you'll see what I mean. Large corporations spend millions to create a consistent design to convey their branding, it's often not even noticeable it's so good.

golinux wrote:Did you actually look at the wallpaper without the windows and icons?.


Yeah, I looked at the wallpapers, just used the screenshot as an example. In my opinion there is a slight discrepancy in balance which varies based on the resolution. It's not a big deal, but I tried to illustrate what I meant. You see how the teal bar and the yellow bar have identical height, as they cut half way through the middle positioning of the logo? However the pink bar does not correspond to the same position, it should either be 1 full bar or exactly 1/2 half bar to bring balance, this varies based on resolution and creates imbalance in my opinion. The logo is also far too close to the left and on a smaller resolution would be covered up by desktop icons. This is why I prefer to use centered designs for desktops, irrelevant to the size of the desktop the design is always symetrically balanced when recut or centered. Otherwise you'll need to create a separate design for each resolution, moving each element each time.
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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby golinux » 2018-07-30 03:53

@kcin . . . it's a good thing then that we have many choices and are not forced to use anything we don't want (though that is starting to change with creeping lock-in) . . .
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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-07-30 07:55

I really liked the old Wheezy theme. It was very classic, but felt powerful at the same time. I have found something similar on the artwork page for Buster, a theme called Loose Tail:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/LooseTail

I guess it's reddish because Buster wears red collar?
I'm happy to see your proposal there, as well. I'm torn between these two at the moment.
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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby kcin » 2018-07-30 09:27

@golinux, yes very true.
@Wheelerof4te That's cool. But personally from a design perceptive the blurring and lens flair is throwing me off on that theme.

Drew another dog, based on what people have said earlier. Not sure if I like it. Thoughts?
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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby None1975 » 2018-07-30 12:32

kcin wrote:@None1975 thanks.I also made this today, kind of looks like the old OSX style background.

Very nice. Keep a good work.
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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby NFT5 » 2018-07-31 09:08

If I may offer a few suggestions/observations.....

If I were a designer, and I'm not, I'd be looking in the "what does your (Debian/non-Debian) desktop look like" threads. For a start these are likely to give a better idea of what people actually like and therefore use on their desktop.

Then consider what people are doing with windows, particularly the popularity of making them semi-transparent. Also the use of black or dark backgrounds as the trend continues away from the MS look of white bordered by blue.

Then think about what the major desktops are doing with their themes, window border colours where greys seem to predominate.

Also take into account how the major icon sets will look on the background. Easily found or lost in a sea of similar and/or contrasting colours?

Considering these things I think that a dark background with a pattern or picture/drawing that is soft and muted, not contrasting, is probably going to work best with transparent or semi-transparent windows - where the content of the window (text at least) isn't going to be lost against the colour of the desktop theme.

I think that Devuan were on the right track, although I'm not a fan of their violet grey, with their Ascii theme, but then lost it with grey on grey on grey. Still, that's just my opinion, but if you were to come up with with something that people could look at and say "Hey, I'd like that as my desktop" then you'd be on a winner.
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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby debiman » 2018-07-31 11:40

i like the idea with the dachshund, but it'd have to be much more stylised than your last example.
i liked the previous (outlined) better, but the half-sitting position makes me think it's about to take a dump...

make it even more stylised than that (and why not go with picasso there).

related; i think the debian swirl needs some updating. the shape is ok, but make it much smoother & stylised and maybe re-color it. that particular shade of red/pinkish is just so 1999...

fun fact: did you know that even the swirl is taken from toy story?
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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby golinux » 2018-07-31 13:00

NFT5 wrote:I think that Devuan were on the right track, although I'm not a fan of their violet grey, with their Ascii theme, but then lost it with grey on grey on grey.
Either your monitor or rods and cones are defective. There is no gray in the Devuan theme. It is a blackish purple - darkpurpy - chosen especially because so many users prefer dark desktops these days.
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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby kcin » 2018-07-31 13:30

Thanks for the input.

Did some more minor changes earlier and uploaded to the proposal page, will leave this version as is for now.
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I did make one simple logo that I really liked, which is modern, works on many different color variations, at small or large sizes and encompasses both a swirl and a capital D. But chance of the logo changing is probably slim to none? I'll probably submit it later as a mockup just in case.
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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby cds60601 » 2018-07-31 14:00

The top one there to me, is getting close. My eyes tell me that the outline should be softer. No as in the color, but perhaps the lines should be thinner, almost to the point where it would be invisible. A nice dark desktop with the subtly of the image in the background.

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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby kcin » 2018-07-31 14:56

A different concept altogether.

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Re: Making a Debian Buster theme proposal, thoughts/suggests

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-07-31 15:25

^Kinda looks like reversed Buzz's swirl. I like it.
Of course, the original swirl is inspired by Buzz's beard swirl.
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