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upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-21 00:02
by sickpig
i know i wouldn't as i have setup my system just the way i like it

edit
added option other to the poll
also i have just changed my wallpaper to buster rc1, for now am happy with just the wallpaper change

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-21 01:07
by Innovate
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Who knows? I've bunch of new packages on Stretch that Buster doesn't have. Some Xfce utility still missing on Buster.
Also when lts come freshy it still lack of backport software repo.
It takes many days for backport repo form it's repo for next buster stable to be available.
I may always use latest stable distro & install latest stable packages.
But I won't run testing, sid like other shinny syndromers did anymore.
There're several ways to get latest stable package on stable channel debian like what you learnt from Steve.

But one things for sure Buster's packages is far newer than Ubuntu 18.04's repo since Ubuntu freeze packaging before Debian buster. :twisted:

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-21 02:50
by No_windows
I voted "other". I will probably install Buster on whatever newer machine I get/build before it's actually released. I'd rather not upgrade, but just do a fresh install. I'm not going to install Stretch just to install Buster a few months later when it's formally released. Right now, I'm still running Jessie, as that was Stable when I got this machine....2015 I think.

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-21 09:27
by Head_on_a_Stick
I've already upgraded to buster in my own laptop to try and catch any bugs and I've installed a fresh system in a spare partition on the family laptop to test the RC1 installer (and the Secure Boot support).

I usually take a snapshot of the current stable system and then boot into the snapshot and dist-upgrade that to testing at some point in the freeze and then get my family to test it. If it all seems to work then I set the snapshot as the default boot option but keep the old stable system available as an option.

We still have jessie as a boot option on the family laptop but we've never actually had to use it since moving to stretch.

Btrfs ftw! :mrgreen:

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-21 09:34
by Wheelerof4te
Where's the "nah, btw I use Arch" option?

Should have taken hints from Ubuntu :D
I switched to Arch only yesterday, don't hate me

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-21 09:40
by Head_on_a_Stick
Wheelerof4te wrote:I switched to Arch only yesterday

Thanks for testing all the new software!

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-21 10:03
by sickpig
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:I usually take a snapshot of the current stable system and then boot into the snapshot and dist-upgrade

^ seems like the smart way to upgrade, I might follow suit when i am forced to upgrade, once they shut lts off for stretch.

my current knowledge level permits me to just tar the entire root fs and restore in case of a mess or untar on a different machine to get exact same copy of my system state. But learning about brtfs and snapshot seems like a good idea.

Well I have time and will to learn, what more do u need? :)

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-21 10:15
by Head_on_a_Stick
A full backup is better than a snapshot but it does take quite a bit longer, both to save and restore.

And snapshots only take up extra disk space if there are any differences from the original, which is nice.

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-21 14:13
by duffy
I’ll wait to install to give Buster some maturity time. I have Stretch running with everything I currently need and use. But I’ll try to keep up to date on Buster advances and improvements.

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-22 18:12
by Wheelerof4te
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Thanks for testing all the new software!

I might still switch back to Debian once Buster is released. I don't like this new GNOME icon theme, looks amateurish.
And we all know icons are everything :mrgreen:

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-23 00:02
by millpond
I've been running testing/Sid and recently needed to get a program working that was very unstable. Even when compiled. So I went for newer libs, once thing led to another. And suddenly I have a centaur system. Without sound.

I do my updates from Synaptic, so over the past few days I have been 'upgrading' a few hundred at a time. Originally 6000.
I truly hate the default Gnome, and no DE options on the Plymouth screen.

Kernel 4.19.04 appears broken here. 4.19.01 works though. Still no sound. Pulled plymouth and GDM from init.d and have it boot to console where startx filrs up /usr/bin/mate-session (no longer mate).

It seems a little slower on this ancient Optiplex, and Firefox-esr is defintely suddenly unstable (though Torbrowser is not).

However my GTK program I needed is suddenly stable and working nicely.

Fortunately I do have a full backup of stretch if things really go south.

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-23 07:53
by Wheelerof4te
millpond wrote:I've been running testing/Sid and recently needed to get a program working that was very unstable. Even when compiled. So I went for newer libs, once thing led to another. And suddenly I have a centaur system. Without sound.

How exactly did you "went for newer libs"? Might explain the breakage.
Either way, you aren't supposed to upgrade libs by hand. Let the OS do it for you.

Meanwhile, an update of my own. Yeah, I really hated those new icons, hopefully GNOME team discards them or improves them later. Untill then, I'm running Buster's 3.30.

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-23 22:07
by millpond
./configure told me I needed a newer version of, IIRC, a kde lib. Since I have buster/unstable(SID) in my sources.list, it was there for me to 'update'.

And one thing led to another.....

Having been a long time veteran of apt-get update/upgrades it has always been a nightmare experience here, as this has always been a *large* installation, and it never fails to have a package that the repo utils just cannot remove or update. And forces me to hack /var/lib/dpkg.

Using synaptic and doing the process incremenatlly (as I never permit unattended updates of anything) - I find takes much longer, but is much more painless.

Sid is also reasonably up to date:
Wine 4.2 (Feb) vs 4.6 (site)
Ruby 2.5.5 (15 Mar) vs 2.6.6(site)
Python 3.7.3 - same as site (v2 is 2.16, apparently last v2)
Perl 5.28.1 (?) vs 5.28.2 site.

The only problem i am having now with SID is no sound. And need to boot off an older kernel.

Other than that, much happier with the system than with Stretch.

You are not stuck with Gnome - Mate works fine, though the binary name changed.
Havent checked out SDDM (KDE) since the updates.

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-04-24 05:50
by woteb
I use Buster on all my systems now. Works shiny, fast and very stable.

Re: upgrade to Buster the moment its launched?

PostPosted: 2019-05-04 08:59
by dotlj
I've been using Buster on my home laptop for about a month, no problems at all, everything is working smoothly.
I've wait before upgrading my desktop at work to Buster as it my main computer and critical for work.
I usually run testing and sometimes Sid on spare disks on older computers to get an idea of how they are progressing.