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Re: Is it just me...

Postby NFT5 » 2020-08-05 18:27

Started with Facebook. Hasn't changed much since.
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby neuraleskimo » 2020-08-05 18:41

NFT5 wrote:Started with Facebook. Hasn't changed much since.

LOL. Too bad there isn't a like button here...err...umm. Nevermind. I mean +1. ;-)
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2020-08-05 19:04

Oh come on folks, these boards aren't supposed to be all chummy & friendly. Have you ever read the Debian mailing lists? They're a bunch of grumpy, argumentative bastards and I think we should have the same ambiance here :mrgreen:
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby neuraleskimo » 2020-08-05 19:52

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Oh come on folks, these boards aren't supposed to be all chummy & friendly. Have you ever read the Debian mailing lists? They're a bunch of grumpy, argumentative bastards and I think we should have the same ambiance here :mrgreen:

You #*^%* Windows user! Actually, I can do worse. I have uttered grammatically correct sentences composed almost entirely of various forms of the f-word. I can do that if it will make you feel better. :D

Being serious for a moment... Sometimes the person you are arguing with may have serious problems in their life (e.g., mental illness). For example, I once had a student who was struggling. She eventually told me that she was homeless. After that, I connected a few dots from the news and discovered her father had been arrested for nearly beating her mother to death. Kinda hard to forget. Also, I am proud to say that my last five graduate students have been female. From that and other experiences, I can say with certainty that women are not impressed by all of testosterone dripping from many a computing forum. Finally, there are some children that visit this forum. Heck, cuckooflew is only eleven years old! ;-) We will see if he catches that.
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2020-08-05 21:01

neuraleskimo wrote:Sometimes the person you are arguing with may have serious problems in their life

Well yes, but if they give me shit then they'll get it back double. IMO it's better to inure people to unkindness via exposure in a relatively "safe" environment.
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby sunrat » 2020-08-05 21:53

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
neuraleskimo wrote:Sometimes the person you are arguing with may have serious problems in their life

Well yes, but if they give me shit then they'll get it back double. IMO it's better to inure people to unkindness via exposure in a relatively "safe" environment.


Damn straight! N00bs need to be hazed so they know how to toe the line. Otherwise you end up like certain forums which shall remain nameless becoming flooded with help vampires and grumpy old autocratic mods advising transgressors to get off their lawn.
But there is a line. There's a difference between hazing and downright inhuman bullying of which I see occasional occurrences. As their is a difference between smart questions, and incomprehensible babble which also seems to have increased lately.
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby Bulkley » 2020-08-05 23:01

sunrat wrote: As their is a difference between smart questions, and incomprehensible babble which also seems to have increased lately.


The "incomprehensible babble" has puzzled me for quite a while. When I see it I wonder if it's a bot or a troll. Some of it is from very confused posters who are often quite defensive of the mess they made.
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby cuckooflew » 2020-08-05 23:20

Finally, there are some children that visit this forum. Heck, cuckooflew is only eleven years old! ;-) We will see if he catches that.

I did, and I am ashamed of myself, what a bad example of behaviour, "lying" ,...at the time , I was joking , but yes we do get young people here, some might even be as young as that, there are a lot that really do act like they are maybe 12 years old, at best,...besides, age is really mostly a mental state, some people stop maturing at very young age, for a while it is ok, but later you have a very childish adult, and it can be rather annoying when a 35 or 40 year old adult carries on like a 12 year old spoiled brat,..... :mrgreen: I will fix my age in my profile, don't want to be accused of lying.
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby neuraleskimo » 2020-08-05 23:42

cuckooflew wrote:
Finally, there are some children that visit this forum. Heck, cuckooflew is only eleven years old! ;-) We will see if he catches that.

I did, and I am ashamed of myself, what a bad example of behaviour, "lying" ,...at the time , I was joking... I will fix my age in my profile, don't want to be accused of lying.


I think it’s funny. Joking and lying are different things in my opinion. I wouldn’t change a thing if I were you. Besides, your credibility is solid!
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby stevepusser » 2020-08-06 05:27

Bulkley wrote:
sunrat wrote: As their is a difference between smart questions, and incomprehensible babble which also seems to have increased lately.


The "incomprehensible babble" has puzzled me for quite a while. When I see it I wonder if it's a bot or a troll. Some of it is from very confused posters who are often quite defensive of the mess they made.


I usually assume it's the result of machine translation. Though there was some self-professed artistic type on the Debian subreddit this week that wanted a really easy to set up version of Debian, but would not consider a derivative because of their "feels" that they were all toys made by bored teenagers, or run by evil empires like Canonical (no middle ground, according to them) (MX Linux devs median age is probably closer to 60, I'm 62) They also kept maintaining that LMDE was based on Ubuntu...
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2020-08-06 15:52

sunrat wrote:But there is a line

The line for me is the arrogant attitude of entitlement displayed by a certain type of n00b, usually fresh from Windows. It really winds me up.
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby golinux » 2020-08-06 16:15

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
sunrat wrote:But there is a line

The line for me is the arrogant attitude of entitlement displayed by a certain type of n00b, usually fresh from Windows. It really winds me up.
You have a long list of windup triggers, HoaS. :mrgreen:
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby Bulkley » 2020-08-06 16:15

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:The line for me is the arrogant attitude of entitlement displayed by a certain type of n00b, usually fresh from Windows. It really winds me up.


Me too. It can be any other OS. Frequently the noob has installed Testing because he thinks it's an upgrade and doesn't want to use old stuff but has no idea what Testing is. When I see this I don't respond because it is a waste of time.

Every OS has unique advantages. Debian's are stability and easy access to a massive package repository. That doesn't work for everybody nor should it.

If there was one thing I'd like to teach every noob it is to take error messages and plug them into their favourite search engine.
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby kedaha » 2020-08-07 06:50

Bulkley wrote:Frequently the noob has installed Testing because he thinks it's an upgrade and doesn't want to use old stuff but has no idea what Testing is. When I see this I don't respond because it is a waste of time.

They want to use it as their "daily driver" if they haven't already come across Kali Linux as their "distro" of choice. Now, where on earth did that expression "daily driver" come from?
So the roadmap seems to be is to "migrate" from Windows to Ubuntu or Mint and thence to Debian by means of the unofficial non-free firmware-bearing images "to make things easier on some systems requiring proprietary but redistributable firmware". After learning to edit the sources.list, they promptly "upgrade" to testing or sid. Easy peasy.
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Oh come on folks, these boards aren't supposed to be all chummy & friendly. Have you ever read the Debian mailing lists? They're a bunch of grumpy, argumentative bastards and I think we should have the same ambience here :mrgreen:

rickh's What is a "Real" Debian User? discussion comes to mind. :wink:
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Re: Is it just me...

Postby sunrat » 2020-08-07 08:21

"Daily driver" is a fairly descriptive term and much shorter than "the system I use every day and and on which I do most of my stuff". I say daily driver sometimes.
N00bs come here from *buntu or Mint and expect smooth sailing. They need to be reminded that Debian can be more work (and more RTFM) than those.
I'm reticent to help n00bs who try to use testing or unstable. Also tend to avoid topics which have posts from certain annoying people who I have on my foes list. There are only 2 of them but they both seem to have returned recently after hiatus.
I also skip over topics of which I have no idea or experience unlike several certain people including the 2 foes. It's not helpful to do searches for people as they will keep coming back for the same. Teach them to fish, don't give them fish, otherwise it encourages help-vampirism.
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