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Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby anxious » 2009-07-15 09:40

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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby edbarx » 2009-07-15 09:51

When Debian starts changing its policies, and I see the definitions of main, non-free and contrib being merged into one repository, I can start worrying that Debian is losing its control. Till now, Debian is holding onto its policies.
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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby Absent Minded » 2009-07-15 10:35

This almost didn't warrent a comment but I say "HOGWASH!!" Just to be clear on my position.
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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby s3a » 2009-07-15 10:41

I don't see anything wrong with following what Ubuntu does as long as it doesn't go against Debian's guidelines and of course is done because it is believed it would improve the OS and not to just to be a copy cat. I also believe the opposite to be true with Ubuntu although technically they copy Debian squeeze/sid each release. For me this is nothing but friendly competition. I don't see why others don't treat it as such. I love Ubuntu but I prefer Debian. Debian is much more annoying in terms of difficulty (learning is my difficulty, but I retain knowledge very well :)) although, it is much more reliable. I want an OS that is god-like in stability for my school laptop and would like to avoid risks as much as possible (which is why it has Lenny). For my gaming computer, I use Debian Squeeze (similar to Ubuntu level stability).

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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby dbbolton » 2009-07-15 10:56

I don't think that expert sysadmin knows what the hell he's talking about. Notoriously slow? Has he heard of sid?

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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby craigevil » 2009-07-15 12:27

Where they hell does he think Ubuntu comes from? A snapshot of Debian Sid!! if it wasn't for Debian there would be no Ubuntu.

Stable still has kde3, it is not Debian that is getting rid of kde3 it is upstream. The same goes for kernel update, upstream updates and newer kernels make their way into sid , testing and backports.

The few times I have chatted with people running Ubuntu to compare packages all of the ones we compared were newer on my system that runs Sid.

How many Debian distributions are there?

There are three major distributions: the "stable" distribution, the "testing" distribution, and the "unstable" distribution. The "testing" distribution is sometimes `frozen'. Next to these, there is the "oldstable" distribution (that's just the one from before "stable"), and the "experimental" distribution. Ubuntu has their current release and the LTS.

Debian also supports a ton more hardware than Ubuntu.
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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby ChristofferC » 2009-07-15 13:06

There is no one in control of Debian. This is one of the things I like about Debian. Also, his article is full of factual errors and logical fallacies. It makes my head hurt. :(
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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby Snood » 2009-07-15 15:32

Each year dozens of hitchhikers are killed on our nation's highways. If the fellow who wrote that article were an NTSB field agent in charge of investigating these deaths he would notice that they all died with their right thumbs protruding skyward and come to the conclusion that sticking your thumb up is bad for you.

He adds a comment among the responses to the article in which he playfully jokes that he must have really hit Debian users' buttons, and then wonders what he is "doing wrong" -- tongue in cheek. What a clever one he is.

Wow. Just. Wow.

I hope he hasn't procreated. If this guy is using Linux (several distros, no less) then I guess we have our answer about whether or not Linux is ready for the desktop. It is. If he can use it then it must definitely be ready for the (m)asses.

Such an informative article, from a person who didn't trouble himself to do a little research.
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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby julian67 » 2009-07-15 16:00

The article is really poor, low on fact, big on assertion and like most crap journalism/blogging seems to be more about making a provocative headline to generate hits and click through revenue.

It's quite a few years since I saw the pejorative word 'sheeple' and it always seemed to me to be a fairly good sign that the author has nothing original or interesting to say, but instead unthinkingly regurgitates nonsense, ironically in exactly the way he is attempting to claim is done by those he disagrees with.
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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby Bulkley » 2009-07-15 16:22

Yup, it's nonsense.

I think this is another push by someone who wants the leading edge of whatever silly eye-candy that stirs his fancy at any given moment. That's not about computing, it's toys.
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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby lolanoob » 2009-07-15 17:02

Debian is however, notoriously slow in its development while Ubuntu works on a rapid bi-yearly development cycle. So it is starting to seem to me that the Ubuntu folk have been more responsible for the Debian updates than the Debian developers are.


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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby ComputerBob » 2009-07-15 17:04

julian67 wrote:It's quite a few years since I saw the pejorative word 'sheeple' and it always seemed to me to be a fairly good sign that the author has nothing original or interesting to say, but instead unthinkingly regurgitates nonsense, ironically in exactly the way he is attempting to claim is done by those he disagrees with.

Sheeple. :lol:
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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby Penguin Skinner » 2009-07-15 18:28

julian67 wrote:The article is really poor, low on fact, big on assertion and like most crap journalism/blogging seems to be more about making a provocative headline to generate hits and click through revenue.

Agree, a very weak piece.

I couldn't help but laugh when he stated, "Now I am noticing that whatever direction Ubuntu is going, Debian is starting to follow. Ubuntu has dropped KDE3, Debian has dropped KDE3. Ubuntu has a kernel update, Debian has a kernel update." Yeah, and I've noticed that many times when the street is wet, the lawn in front of my home is, too. :) Apparently this guy doesn't grasp the difference between causation, and correlation due to an outside factor -- in this case, the ongoing development of Linux and the open source desktop in general.
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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby kabniel » 2009-07-15 20:16

He mentions this thread in one of the comments, he sounds surprised that some devs are working on both debian and ubuntu packages.

The examples he gives that Debian is following Ubuntu is funny, which distro havent gone for kde4 and a newer kernel, are they all following Ubuntu?
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Re: Has Debian lost control of its distribution?

Postby julian67 » 2009-07-15 20:52

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