http://glandium.org/blog/?p=1032Work is under progress to get Firefox back in Debian (I do have good hope this will be possible).
http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933The Firefox logo, the very reason why Iceweasel exists, is now free as in speech. Its use is still limited by trademarks, but it is free.
Uh huh. And apt-cache rocks.AnInkedSoul wrote:besides apt beats aptitude any day of the week!
All due respect, but I don't think it's a matter of whiners. The fractions in the FOSS community are unfortunate. I would love to see this disagreement settled amicably.Soul Singin' wrote:Don't sacrifice the cooler browser just to make a bunch of whiners happy !!!
I thought that the trademarks were actually part of the reason for the rebranding. Mozilla assert that their trademarks over their product names means Debian can't backport security fixes to versions Mozilla have dropped support for without getting permission from Mozilla to attach their trademarks to non-official builds. Since the Debian maintainers couldn't argue with this but also feel the waiting is unacceptable, the rebranding came about so Debian have complete freedom to release what they want when they want. Reading Mozilla's trademark policy seems to indicate to me that it would be very difficult for Debian to abide by these terms.The Firefox logo, the very reason why Iceweasel exists, is now free as in speech. Its use is still limited by trademarks, but it is free.
Modifications
If you're taking full advantage of the open-source nature of Mozilla's products and making significant functional changes, you may not redistribute the fruits of your labor under any Mozilla trademark, without Mozilla's prior written consent. For example, if the product you've modified is Firefox, you may not use Mozilla or Firefox, in whole or in part, in its name. Also, it would be inappropriate for you to say "based on Mozilla Firefox". Instead, in the interest of complete accuracy, you could describe your executables as "based on Mozilla technology", or "incorporating Mozilla source code." In addition, you may want to read the discussion on the "Powered by Mozilla" logo.
In addition, if you compile a modified version, as discussed above, with branding enabled (the default in our source code is branding disabled), you will require Mozilla's prior written permission. If it's not the unmodified installer package from http://www.mozilla.com, and you want to use our trademark(s), our review and approval of your modifications is required. You also must change the name of the executable so as to reduce the chance that a user of the modified software will be misled into believing it to be a native Mozilla product.
Again, any modification to the Mozilla product, including adding to, modifying in any way, or deleting content from the files included with an installer, file location changes, added code, modification of any source files including additions and deletions, etc., will require our permission if you want to use the Mozilla Marks. If you have any doubt, just ask us at trademarks@mozilla.com.
Sorry. I should clarify. By "whiners," I did not mean long-time users who simply believe that the Open Source community should present a unified front.Telemachus wrote:All due respect, but I don't think it's a matter of whiners. The fractions in the FOSS community are unfortunate. I would love to see this disagreement settled amicably.Soul Singin' wrote:Don't sacrifice the cooler browser just to make a bunch of whiners happy !!!
I absolutely agree that it would be wrong to switch for the second set of people/reasons.Soul Singin' wrote:Sorry. I should clarify. By "whiners," I did not mean long-time users who simply believe that the Open Source community should present a unified front.Telemachus wrote:All due respect, but I don't think it's a matter of whiners. The fractions in the FOSS community are unfortunate. I would love to see this disagreement settled amicably.Soul Singin' wrote:Don't sacrifice the cooler browser just to make a bunch of whiners happy !!!
By "whiners," I meant the people whose first experience with GNU/Linux began two months earlier with a botched installation of Ubuntu, who turn to Debian for a solution to all of their problems, see ugly websites in Iceweasel because of the User Agent issue and decide that Ubuntu is better because it has the "real" Firefox.
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Does that actually happen? I thought the "(like Firefox x.x.x)" part of Iceweasel's user agent string solved all such problems in about 99.99% of cases.Soul Singin' wrote:By "whiners," I meant the people whose first experience with GNU/Linux began two months earlier with a botched installation of Ubuntu, who turn to Debian for a solution to all of their problems, see ugly websites in Iceweasel because of the User Agent issue and decide that Ubuntu is better because it has the "real" Firefox.
I'm still happy as a clam with Debian Lenny and Iceweasel 3.0, so I don't know what the new default string is.Serenity wrote:Does that actually happen? I thought the "(like Firefox x.x.x)" part of Iceweasel's user agent string solved all such problems in about 99.99% of cases.Soul Singin' wrote:By "whiners," I meant the people whose first experience with GNU/Linux began two months earlier with a botched installation of Ubuntu, who turn to Debian for a solution to all of their problems, see ugly websites in Iceweasel because of the User Agent issue and decide that Ubuntu is better because it has the "real" Firefox.
Interesting since it would seem that only the bugs left unfixed in FF is what the Debian Devs are still fixing in IceWeasle on a Debian stable system.Serenity wrote:I do tend to think of Iceweasel on Debian as the inferior experience compared to Firefox on Ubuntu though, but for a different reason.
That is truly hilarious.julian67 wrote:How can I install the real Iceweasel? I tried Firefox but it's definitely slower and some stuff doesn't work.
julian67 wrote:How can I install the real Iceweasel? I tried Firefox but it's definitely slower and some stuff doesn't work.
craigevil wrote:That is truly hilarious.julian67 wrote:How can I install the real Iceweasel? I tried Firefox but it's definitely slower and some stuff doesn't work.
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100628 Iceweasel/3.6.4 (like Firefox/3.6.4)
The problem wasn't just the Firefox logo it was Debian patching versions of Firefox that were no longer supported by Mozilla.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Co ... _in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933
