After the fact stories

[steve_v]

Actually, I just installed Artix. It's been a long while since I've run an Arch box, and I wasn't really looking for something so bleeding-edge. But bloody-hell, it's nice.
The installer is a bit meh, and the default setup is the most barebones LXQT I've ever seen, but I now have Plasma 5.11 and everything else I want running flawlessly. Elogind appears to solve the crapkit related problems I was having on Devuan too.
No gripes at all TBH, openrc took a little getting used to but I'm beginning to like it more than sysv. I haven't found anything that doesn't work as expected, but time will tell how much of a pain eternal updates are.

[golinux]

Elogind appears to solve the crapkit related problems I was having on Devuan too.

If you'd stuck around or done any research over at Devuan you would have found that elogind is on our radar. I imagine it will be functional by the time ascii is released. Not that I'm suggesting you go that direction. It seems your basic approach is at odds with what we do there. Happy computing to you wherever you land!

[steve_v]

Thing is, ascii is still broken WRT DEs, and being based on a 2.5 year old Debian release, and one that was typically debian-stable old when it was released, makes jessie a non-starter if one wants to run modern applications.
I don't want new-and-shiny, but some software I need expects non-fossilised libraries. So I can't run jessie on my desktop, and I can't run my desktop on ascii.
When (if ever) a Devuan stable is released within a reasonable timeframe of Debian stable, that 'll be a different story.

As for elogind & ascii, "on our radar" is fine, but it simply reaffirms my statement that ascii is not ready for desktop use yet. When it's actually implemented I'll likely revise that assesment, meanwhile nothing that uses systemd-logind interfaces is going to work, and that means the big DEs. The logind problem has been known about for a long time now.

Like I said, I'm still running it for server applications, jessie is fine there.
I'd probably have stuck around the Devuan forum if it hadn't gone down in the middle of trying to get Plasma working. dev1galaxy.org is still down as of this post.

Meanwhile, I have a fully operational systemd-free distro here, with 3 init systems to choose from and all the usual bells and whistles one expects on a modern desktop.
Until you guys get your act together, I'll run that. Shame it's not Debian based.

[golinux]

I'd probably have stuck around the Devuan forum if it hadn't gone down in the middle of trying to get Plasma working. dev1galaxy.org is still down as of this post.

It hasn't been down here and I'm on there all day everyday. Neither has monit posted a notice that it was down. I guess it just wasn't meant to be for you . . .

PS. The Devuan IRC channels are a good way to get help too.

[steve_v]

It hasn't been down here and I'm on there all day everyday.

On further investigation, it's reachable if I proxy into the US but not over my local connection. No issues with anything else, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[golinux]

It hasn't been down here and I'm on there all day everyday.

On further investigation, it's reachable if I proxy into the US but not over my local connection. No issues with anything else, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What does it have to do with the US? It's hosted in France.

[steve_v]

What does it have to do with the US? It's hosted in France.

No idea, all I said is that it is reachable from there, but not from here.

[ralph.ronnquist]

dev1galaxy.org is equipped with a sometimes over-zealous "snaplock", which eagerly blocks any IP with activity it deems dubious. This might be a bother e.g. if your IP is dynamic, and it has got blocked due to a prior holder's activity. Send me an email or PM with your IP (or IP range) and I'll have a look.

[golinux]

dev1galaxy.org is equipped with a sometimes over-zealous "snaplock", which eagerly blocks any IP with activity it deems dubious. This might be a bother e.g. if your IP is dynamic, and it has got blocked due to a prior holder's activity. Send me an email or PM with your IP (or IP range) and I'll have a look.

Ha, I had the same thought and was going to request the same when I finally got out of bed!

[golinux]

Solution? Don't know, but systemd proved to be on the right track.

Did it? Please have a look at this which sums things up nicely.

As to his assessment that this was democracy in action . . . that has been thoroughly debunked by dasein's Combatting revisionist history. One of the best reads ever . . .

[steve_v]

dev1galaxy.org is equipped with a sometimes over-zealous "snaplock", which eagerly blocks any IP with activity it deems dubious.

That'll be it. I have since changed IP, and can reach the site again. Dunno what I did to suddenly rate as "dubious" while trying to set up Devuan, but there must have been something as I'd had that IP for about 2 weeks prior.
Might want to look into your false-positive rate there.

Did it?

I'd say that systemd has proved itself to work reasonably well on the systemd devs laptops, nothing more.
As for everyone else, especially those running servers, it's been a constant source of aggravation.
There plenty of examples of systemd screwing up systems without warning, and It's done it to me several times.
But I'm clearly preaching to the choir here.

[pcalvert]

I've been using (in a VM) Debian Jessie, and now Stretch, that has never had systemd-sysv installed on it. I am using sysvinit-core and sysvinit-utils instead. The desktop environment is Xfce. So far it has been working fine (no major issues). Yes, systemd-shim and some other systemd-related packages are also installed, but I see that as an acceptable compromise (for now). However, I may switch to Devuan in a few years after it has matured some more.

Phil

P.S. My main system is Devuan Jessie which I'll be replacing in the near future with Debian Stretch (minus systemd-sysv).

[golinux]

P.S. My main system is Devuan Jessie which I'll be replacing in the near future with Debian Stretch (minus systemd-sysv).

Why not just upgrade to ascii? We're not that far off from an official ascii release. One of the benefits is that eudev replaces the udev hairball. And elongind is now out for testing. Perhaps you'd consider giving that a try before jumping ship.

[pcalvert]

Why not just upgrade to ascii? We're not that far off from an official ascii release.

The system in question started its life as aptosid apate that was dist-upgraded to Debian Squeeze. I feel that it is now time to wipe the partition and start over with a "clean slate." Since I already have a customized Debian live CD, it is less work to install using that.

Phil

[n_hologram]

aptosid apate

Lolwut?
Is that a Harry Potter spell?