Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

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Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby fmp » 2018-06-16 03:29

This is excellent news for those of us who wish to be free of Google/Apple phones - two contenders that might be able to pull it off:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/1 ... e_android/

Worth mentioning Purism's Librem 5 phone, too:
https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/

And Lineage (de-Google your Android phone today):
https://lineageos.org/
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby debiman » 2018-06-16 07:00

fmp wrote:This is excellent news for those of us who wish to be free of Google/Apple phones - two contenders that might be able to pull it off:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/1 ... e_android/

nice article.

purism's librem5 seems to be the biggest "thing" atm; i really hope this duval person's claim to work together with them is more than empty words.
there's enough potential to bring not only a true gnu/linux mobile OS, but also usable (small enough, fast enough) open hardware onto the market for a reasonable price, so don't waste it by constantly re-inventing the wheel.

And Lineage (de-Google your Android phone today):
https://lineageos.org/

lineageos is still based on vanilla android; it comes without G-apps, but that's not the same as android without google.
google's grip on android goes much, much deeper.
i daresay, there's no such thing as android without google.
not historically, and not in everyday use.
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby n_hologram » 2018-06-18 19:27

fmp wrote:Worth mentioning Purism's Librem 5 phone, too:
https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/

Any news about this phone? Testing? Anyone here bought one?

And Lineage (de-Google your Android phone today):
https://lineageos.org/

Lineage is legit. I've been re-exploring CopperheadOS now that its Oreo (Android 8) release has stabilized. It runs pretty well now, although their F-Droid version is still a piece of crap; I disable it when I'm not using it. If I had a computer with 16gb of ram, I'd build it from scratch and modify some crucial features. All things considered, I still think it accomplishes its goals of being "the most secure" Android derivative.
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-06-18 19:34

debiman wrote:lineageos is still based on vanilla android; it comes without G-apps, but that's not the same as android without google.
google's grip on android goes much, much deeper.
i daresay, there's no such thing as android without google.

You are aware that Google is in the top 10 list of (corporate) contributors to the Linux kernel, right?

EDIT: Intel is number one :lol:
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby HuangLao » 2018-06-19 00:25

FYI, he also created Mageia GNU/Linux

PS: I've since left the smart phone scene and gone back to the sensible flip phone that, well actually is a phone. With that said, I would cheer on any open source solution for those that do use smart phones and can challenge Apple and Google with their dominance or at least offer a viable alternative.
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby Lysander » 2018-06-19 08:00

HuangLao wrote:FYI, he also created Mageia GNU/Linux

PS: I've since left the smart phone scene and gone back to the sensible flip phone that, well actually is a phone. With that said, I would cheer on any open source solution for those that do use smart phones and can challenge Apple and Google with their dominance or at least offer a viable alternative.


Indeed. I got rid of my smartphone 2.5 years ago and have been using a Nokia 'dumbphone' over since. It was a little unusual at first, but after two weeks without it a wave of relief came over me: no more feeling compelled to check email, social media, no checking for notifications and staring at the phone for entire train journeys [I once missed my train because I was on the platform engrossed in my phone]. Smartphones have positive uses but their effect is mostly negative. Unless one's business depends on them because the user moves about a lot, they do nothing but distract the user, feeding their brains with misinformation and breaking down real-space communication.

I am thankful that I was born when I was so that I could appreciate the last decade the human race saw where we knew what offline meant - the 1980s. In a sense, I would be lying if I didn't admit that using the terminal in Linux has a nostalgic feel that puts me back in that place, e.g. using the terminal in BBCs or old IBMs. Now the majority of people are addicted to their phones and experience nothing but panic if they misplace it. As I have said before, it is an obsession with something that largely harms the individual, which is the true definition of addiction. Now most of us are too far gone to retreat, and we are even weaning our children on them.

As for the Purism phone, I probably wouldn't get it, but that's only because I can't stand touch-screen devices. Additionally, I'm on the internet enough when I'm indoors, I don't always want to be connected to it.
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby debiman » 2018-06-20 03:50

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:You are aware that Google is in the top 10 list of (corporate) contributors to the Linux kernel, right?

this has nothing to do with what i wrote there, and very little with what is being discussed here.
if you have a point, i cannot discern it.
it seems you are reacting to something that happened inside your head while reading.
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby debiman » 2018-06-20 04:00

n_hologram wrote:
fmp wrote:Worth mentioning Purism's Librem 5 phone, too:
https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/

Any news about this phone? Testing? Anyone here bought one?

there's no actual buying yet, but you can place your 600$ now and get one in early 2019.
i am very interested (although it seems like a lot of money, but hey, we got used to electronics being too cheap).
i have asked a few questions on their forums, there's regular blog posts/updates, and the phone's own page is very long, you should read all of it.

eelo also looks very interesting, esp. the list of potentially supported devices: https://eelo.io/img/supporteddevices.txt (looks a little too good to be true, i wonder what exactly they mean by "devices that will be easily supported by eelo"...)
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-06-20 04:41

debiman wrote:if you have a point, i cannot discern it

Google's involvement with Android is on a similar level to it's involvement with Linux, it seems strange that you are so opposed to using operating systems in phones that rely on Google's input but you have no compunction about using laptops and desktops :?
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby CwF » 2018-06-20 15:42

I'm with Lysander as fellow flipper. I do have some smart phones and don't use them as a phones, or email, or messenger, or even browsing. I would be nice to able to use them in a thousand ways that don't involve online at all. I'd re-purpose many if it were easier.
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby HuangLao » 2018-06-20 17:54

CwF wrote:I'm with Lysander as fellow flipper. I do have some smart phones and don't use them as a phones, or email, or messenger, or even browsing. I would be nice to able to use them in a thousand ways that don't involve online at all. I'd re-purpose many if it were easier.



paper weights, door stoppers?
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby CwF » 2018-06-20 19:17

HuangLao wrote:paper weights, door stoppers?


Well, don't know how to take that? Either you also dislike smartphones in some way. Or maybe you lack whatever it is required to imagine other uses?
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby HuangLao » 2018-06-20 20:21

CwF wrote:
HuangLao wrote:paper weights, door stoppers?


Well, don't know how to take that? Either you also dislike smartphones in some way. Or maybe you lack whatever it is required to imagine other uses?


Here was my earlier post that you must not have read:
HuangLao wrote:FYI, he also created Mageia GNU/Linux

PS: I've since left the smart phone scene and gone back to the sensible flip phone that, well actually is a phone. With that said, I would cheer on any open source solution for those that do use smart phones and can challenge Apple and Google with their dominance or at least offer a viable alternative.
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby GarryRicketson » 2018-06-20 21:32

One of my kids uses the camera on a "retired" Smartphone for his drone.

I was reading some search results, sounds like they can be used as "remote" controls for various things as well.
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Re: Mandrake Linux creator taking on Google/Android

Postby CwF » 2018-06-21 23:35

Exactly.
I had a multi-phone AV wifi mesh built up and google hosed it. All of a sudden an accidental OTA slip up on my part and it started complaining. I had eliminated cell functionality and foolishly had playstore while not needed, it found a wifi link, updated, and blew up, all without my permission. I want an OS where that can't happen.
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