That's true. The thing is, i use mutt or pine because they are faster. And i took exim4 from the list (sysvconfig), and the mail didn't work, so i put it back. Exim4 comes with the debian install by default, so maybe users are using it without realizing it. As for smtp you have to put your isp address when configuring it for smtp or pop3. We all have done it so, but t-bird got so slow, because of my hardware and memory limitations, i had to go to mutt.Client mail apps (mail user agents) like t-bird, sylpheed or evolution do not need mail systems at all to function. They use the smtp and pop servers provided by your ISP. I have been running Linux for 10 years and have been happily checking and sending my mail without sendmail, exim4, fetchmail, getmail, etc...
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Post your booting time
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Boot time: 650 Duron: Total time from power on to desktop completely loaded: 1 min, 15-50 sec, depends on manager, Unstable. Using a manual login because I prefer it.
Breakdown:
25 seconds while MB does POST, and grub finally loads. Hit enter before 3 second grub wait, yes I could reduce it or eliminate it but why?
45 seconds for kernel 2.6.19 to load, all sound card, video card and network card drivers not needed have been unchecked. Don't need ipv6 so that is gone also. Iptables are supported, Every time I compile a new kernel, I remove ONE item, I think I don't need. This time includes loading xdm which has been customized, changed some colors and included a background image. Use HTTP gmail so don't need exim4.
After login:
5 seconds for fluxbox
20 seconds for xfce
30 seconds for Gnome
40 seconds (or more) for kde, depends on music at startup.
I use xdm for fluxbox or xfce, kdm for Gnome or KDE. Xdm not as easy to use as kdm but I have no problems with it.
Breakdown:
25 seconds while MB does POST, and grub finally loads. Hit enter before 3 second grub wait, yes I could reduce it or eliminate it but why?
45 seconds for kernel 2.6.19 to load, all sound card, video card and network card drivers not needed have been unchecked. Don't need ipv6 so that is gone also. Iptables are supported, Every time I compile a new kernel, I remove ONE item, I think I don't need. This time includes loading xdm which has been customized, changed some colors and included a background image. Use HTTP gmail so don't need exim4.
After login:
5 seconds for fluxbox
20 seconds for xfce
30 seconds for Gnome
40 seconds (or more) for kde, depends on music at startup.
I use xdm for fluxbox or xfce, kdm for Gnome or KDE. Xdm not as easy to use as kdm but I have no problems with it.
Funny you should mention that - I love the functionality and interface of t-bird and evo, but they are so bloated, especially evo. I have been using Sylpheed for several years now, and it is very lightweight. Not as lightweight as mutt, but it works really well. The only thing that's funky with it is it wraps URLs in html emails making them unusable, and it uses MH format for the mailboxes, so all of your mails are "one per file". No big deal, it's just that most other mailers use MBOX or MAILDIR.Lou wrote:That's true. The thing is, i use mutt or pine because they are faster. And i took exim4 from the list (sysvconfig), and the mail didn't work, so i put it back. Exim4 comes with the debian install by default, so maybe users are using it without realizing it. As for smtp you have to put your isp address when configuring it for smtp or pop3. We all have done it so, but t-bird got so slow, because of my hardware and memory limitations, i had to go to mutt.Client mail apps (mail user agents) like t-bird, sylpheed or evolution do not need mail systems at all to function. They use the smtp and pop servers provided by your ISP. I have been running Linux for 10 years and have been happily checking and sending my mail without sendmail, exim4, fetchmail, getmail, etc...
Exim4 is like sendmail, right? I've only set up sendmail, fetchmail and procmail a couple of times when I was playing around with mutt, but I've never experiemented with anything else.
Yeah, sendmail, exim4, and postfix do the same. Fetchmail, getmail retrieves the mail from one of the above, and mutt, sylpheed or t-bird, etc displays it.sargek wrote: Exim4 is like sendmail, right? I've only set up sendmail, fetchmail and procmail a couple of times when I was playing around with mutt, but I've never experiemented with anything else.
Devuan Jessie - IceWM - vimperator - no DM
KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid
KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid
As you may or may not know, I did a small set of upgrades on Jan 25, 2007 and afterwards, I decided to set up my computer as a dual boot system, there are a few programs I need windows for, so rather than bug my wife to use her computer, I now can boot Debian or WindowsXP. I decided to do a fresh Debian install, as I changed a couple of things that my kernel didn't support and I wanted to blow away some of the crap I installed but didn't use any more. I moved my data to safe place and proceeded to blow away my old install. I decided to download a new netinstall iso, I couldn't find one for unstable so I downloaded the new etch installer, it's getting there but there are much nicer ones, mepis and Mandrake or whatever the free one is called now.
Still, I was up and running in less than two hours, including upgrading to unstable, but I didn't select desktop when I installed, I wanted to install Xfce4 without adding the bloat of kde or gnome, except for those programs I want. Once done, I had to time my new install and computer.
From button press on to login takes 30 seconds but I'm not using any gui for the login. once I log in, it takes 2 seconds to show the user prompt. I then type in "startxfce4" which I will automate later and 12 seconds later Xfce4 is fully loaded. I was using Fluxbox and DR17 (Enlightenment) but I decided to go with the mouse.
Oh yes, I almost forgot, I had a much easier time reinstalling Debian than I did installing Windows.
Still, I was up and running in less than two hours, including upgrading to unstable, but I didn't select desktop when I installed, I wanted to install Xfce4 without adding the bloat of kde or gnome, except for those programs I want. Once done, I had to time my new install and computer.
From button press on to login takes 30 seconds but I'm not using any gui for the login. once I log in, it takes 2 seconds to show the user prompt. I then type in "startxfce4" which I will automate later and 12 seconds later Xfce4 is fully loaded. I was using Fluxbox and DR17 (Enlightenment) but I decided to go with the mouse.
Oh yes, I almost forgot, I had a much easier time reinstalling Debian than I did installing Windows.
Cancel or Allow?
Is that the new "Yes, No, or All"?
Is that the new "Yes, No, or All"?
If you put 'expert26' at the prompt (at the beginning of the install), it will give you a choice of stable, testing, and unstable. Skip the packages section, do a update/dist-upgrade, and install xfce4 and whatever else you fancy.ethyrdude wrote: I decided to download a new netinstall iso, I couldn't find one for unstable so I downloaded the new etch installer,
just put this in your .xinitrc:From button press on to login takes 30 seconds but I'm not using any gui for the login. once I log in, it takes 2 seconds to show the user prompt. I then type in "startxfce4" which I will automate later and 12 seconds later Xfce4 is fully loaded. I was using Fluxbox and DR17 (Enlightenment) but I decided to go with the mouse.
#!/bin/sh
<whatever app you also want to start> &
xfce4-session
save/exit
startx
I did it with a business card iso (37 MB):
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=11822
as for booting time, i'm down to 24 seconds after POST to login. I installed 'sysvconfig' and disabled:
ifupdown
networking
openbsd-inetd
rc.local
of course this is strictly subjective, i got dhcp, no lan .
Devuan Jessie - IceWM - vimperator - no DM
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From the grub menu to the login menu, 20 seconds.
I'm running the standard Etch 64-bit version on an AMD64 Dual Core box with 2 GB of RAM. This is the fastest booting OS I have ever used.
I'm running the standard Etch 64-bit version on an AMD64 Dual Core box with 2 GB of RAM. This is the fastest booting OS I have ever used.
Live simply so that others may simply live.
Debian Social Contract
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which cd image did you use.. my cd testing/etch hanged while trying to boot from similar amd Ath-X2, I gb ram. then i put 32bit in there...michael7 wrote:From the grub menu to the login menu, 20 seconds.
I'm running the standard Etch 64-bit version on an AMD64 Dual Core box with 2 GB of RAM. This is the fastest booting OS I have ever used.
gillbates,
I used a "daily built" netinst cd image for the "amd64" architecture that I downloaded from www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer . The kernel I'm booting is the standard 2.6.18-3-amd64.
On another partition, I've installed the i386 version for comparison. The amd64 is faster. I wrote a HOWTO on the i386 installation which you can find at: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=11280
I used a "daily built" netinst cd image for the "amd64" architecture that I downloaded from www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer . The kernel I'm booting is the standard 2.6.18-3-amd64.
On another partition, I've installed the i386 version for comparison. The amd64 is faster. I wrote a HOWTO on the i386 installation which you can find at: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=11280
Live simply so that others may simply live.
Debian Social Contract
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Actually Lou, I did use the expert install and I was surprised that it didn't ask me but then considering I downloaded the new etch net installer, it's not surprising. I was given a choice of which kernel to install - 2.6.8 or 2.6.17-2 and a choice of i486 or i686, I would have preferred i386 0r k7, but as they weren't offered, I chose 686 and then upgraded to 2.6.19.2 custom and selected k7 for my processor as it is an Athlon XP. My debian install is pretty mean and lean now, I did end up installing xdm and set up an .xsession file in my home directory to tell it to start xfce, one more way to skin a cat.
The netinstall iso was 150 megs, about five minutes to download on cable DSL, and I liked the graphics install a bit better than the first time I installed it. One thing that threw me for a second was the language choices, utf-8 or not, I chose utf-8 because that was what I learned the standard is now. Other than that, things went really smoothly. I really wasn't kidding when I said Debian was easier to install than Windows, and much faster too.
The netinstall iso was 150 megs, about five minutes to download on cable DSL, and I liked the graphics install a bit better than the first time I installed it. One thing that threw me for a second was the language choices, utf-8 or not, I chose utf-8 because that was what I learned the standard is now. Other than that, things went really smoothly. I really wasn't kidding when I said Debian was easier to install than Windows, and much faster too.
Cancel or Allow?
Is that the new "Yes, No, or All"?
Is that the new "Yes, No, or All"?
Indeed, there are more ways to skin a cat; .xsession has to go to xinit in order to start, that's why i use .xinit instead of .xsession. As for not giving you a choice, i don't know, maybe it has to do with the graphic install or the new installer.ethyrdude wrote:Actually Lou, I did use the expert install and I was surprised that it didn't ask me but then considering I downloaded the new etch net installer, it's not surprising. I was given a choice of which kernel to install - 2.6.8 or 2.6.17-2 and a choice of i486 or i686, I would have preferred i386 0r k7, but as they weren't offered, I chose 686 and then upgraded to 2.6.19.2 custom and selected k7 for my processor as it is an Athlon XP. My debian install is pretty mean and lean now, I did end up installing xdm and set up an .xsession file in my home directory to tell it to start xfce, one more way to skin a cat.
I haven't used the latest rc netinstall, now that i discovered the business card with 37 MB, i doubt i'll use anything else. My download speed is not as good as yours, mine is (130 kb/s download speed or 1.2 Ghz overall speed). As long as you get what you want in the way is easier for you, all is well.The netinstall iso was 150 megs, about five minutes to download on cable DSL, and I liked the graphics install a bit better than the first time I installed it. One thing that threw me for a second was the language choices, utf-8 or not, I chose utf-8 because that was what I learned the standard is now. Other than that, things went really smoothly. I really wasn't kidding when I said Debian was easier to install than Windows, and much faster too.
Devuan Jessie - IceWM - vimperator - no DM
KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid
KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid
Well, I followed your example, Lou, and used sysvconfig to turn off the services I don't need at startup.
My PIII 700 with 160 MB of RAM have been averaging about 20 seconds from me pushing the button to console. X takes about 7 seconds to boot into Openbox which is a little slower then I'd like, but still not bad.
My PIII 700 with 160 MB of RAM have been averaging about 20 seconds from me pushing the button to console. X takes about 7 seconds to boot into Openbox which is a little slower then I'd like, but still not bad.
You're doing better than me Although, icewm and ratpoison are in like flynn in <2 secondsBurnside wrote:
My PIII 700 with 160 MB of RAM have been averaging about 20 seconds from me pushing the button to console.
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Devuan Jessie - IceWM - vimperator - no DM
KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid
KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid
I didn't keep my booting time. Sometime I am restarting and when I restart mta isn't appear as normal boot. So it takes shorter than 1 minutes. Mta is making long booting.
My processor is 2,66 celeron ( I wish amd 64)
256 ram
256 winfast
epox mainboard ( sis my mainboard and there isn't update at epox website any more. I have to upgrade my system as fast as possible )
My processor is 2,66 celeron ( I wish amd 64)
256 ram
256 winfast
epox mainboard ( sis my mainboard and there isn't update at epox website any more. I have to upgrade my system as fast as possible )
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debian etch - default install of desktop/standard/laptop tasks
nothing tweaked except maybe a couple applets I killed
hp omnibook 6000 laptop
PIII 700mhz
256mb ram
from post to GDM login - about 35-40sec
(could probably be tweaked and cleaned up a bit and get it even lower)
from gdm login to gnome desktop - about 15sec
VERY HAPPY!
nothing tweaked except maybe a couple applets I killed
hp omnibook 6000 laptop
PIII 700mhz
256mb ram
from post to GDM login - about 35-40sec
(could probably be tweaked and cleaned up a bit and get it even lower)
from gdm login to gnome desktop - about 15sec
VERY HAPPY!
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this morning I was preparing to come and decided to learn my booting time. This is my chance . Linux started to file system check. But I didn't give up. From grub to gdm it took 1, 35 second from grub to completely log in took 1,56 second.
amazing . isn't it?
amazing . isn't it?
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