Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby jube » 2013-11-11 09:03

nath wrote:I'm sure your scripts work, i must have forgot to configure something as pbuilder was trying to download a file containing the word "undefined" or something like that (can't remember). As for the debs, I was using a freshly installed Debian sid, so it was probably lacking packages, engines, themes or something else usually available in Mint. I'll try again later. Anyway, thanks for your work.


yep no idea what thats about :)
no, you do not need anything from ubuntu or mint period,
but i can see that installation can be a thorny issue for people not used to setting up various desktop environs
so will come up with a script to do it, i have just re-installed sid-kali so as i reinstall cinnamon will script the process up at the same time will add
a script to build cinnamon from release instead of direcly from git.
As said before i work exclusivly in a root environment, so if your desktop is full of permissions, you will have to add sudo everywhere :)
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby nath » 2013-11-11 12:22

jube wrote:no, you do not need anything from ubuntu or mint period, but i can see that installation can be a thorny issue for people not used to setting up various desktop environs


I just installed a bare-bones Debian sid, then I installed the Cinnamon 2 DEBs from VolMi (see last comments in this post: http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2013/10/h ... -from-git/) and let apt-get solve their dependencies (which pulled xserver, gnome, avahi and lots of other stuff). Guess what... same issues: control panel and screen lock don't work, no wireless in the nm applet, etc. So probably there IS something I need to add on a fresh Debian installation to make it work properly...
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby jube » 2013-11-11 21:30

nath wrote:
jube wrote:no, you do not need anything from ubuntu or mint period, but i can see that installation can be a thorny issue for people not used to setting up various desktop environs


I just installed a bare-bones Debian sid, then I installed the Cinnamon 2 DEBs from VolMi (see last comments in this post: http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2013/10/h ... -from-git/) and let apt-get solve their dependencies (which pulled xserver, gnome, avahi and lots of other stuff). Guess what... same issues: control panel and screen lock don't work, no wireless in the nm applet, etc. So probably there IS something I need to add on a fresh Debian installation to make it work properly...


Nope your doing everything correct, but configuring your session is where you are messing up.
you need to uninstall gnome-settings-deamon, have your session file in cinnamon-session/sessions dir, etc etc. basically you need a PURE cinnamon session :)
Im not going to write a tutorial here cos im in the process of scripting the process anyway :)
but if you google about a bit about where session files live and how gnome/cinnamon session sources them youll be well on the way :) , youll prob crack it before i make my install script :)
Talking of which i have a fresh setup, and am setting the scripts up from scratch, so will try to recreate your prob

had to laugh that last post was pointing to my github :) :)
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby nath » 2013-11-12 06:01

jube wrote:Im not going to write a tutorial here cos im in the process of scripting the process anyway :)


Great, I'll try your script then :)
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby jube » 2013-11-12 11:56

hang on for a few hours if your using latest git, its unstable as im adding the release build functions, be finished 6 hours max :)
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby ledzgio » 2013-11-12 20:50

Probably we will be able to install Cinnamon 2 from linux mint LMDE when the new release will come out. What I am not pretty sure is wheter it will be installable under debian testing, stable or unstable.

Any idea?
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby jube » 2013-11-12 23:51

ok finished all the scripting, uploading a new set of release builds,
as promissed there is an install script,
I am typing in a cinnamon session now :),
must say release version much faster more stable than git versions
BUT i wrote the install script for my own system and it depends on having used my build scripts, if you want to keep gdm ( or simmilar), or you are downloading the debs you need to mod the script, i use xinit amd the alternatives system :)

Well i have not had good experiences with the lmde versions of cinnamon, they arrange their deps really wierd, last time i tried could not install without a
massive ammount of hassle and work, some deps seem just not to exist :)
Plus they dont use cinnamon-controll centre or cinnamon-session/settings deamon, maybe all will change for 2?
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby nath » 2013-11-13 06:20

jube wrote:ok finished all the scripting, uploading a new set of release builds,
as promissed there is an install script,
I am typing in a cinnamon session now :)


Thanks. I can see the new builds, but I can't seem to find the install script. Am I using the right address? https://github.com/Jubei-Mitsuyoshi/deb ... s/unstable

I'd like to try the script on a freshly installed Debian sid, with no desktop enviroment installed. Also, I'd use mdm (not gdm) and systemd.
Should I just run your script or install something first?

jube wrote:must say release version much faster more stable than git versions


Are you talking about that bug where cores are constanty at 10-15% or something else? Judging from what I can see at https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/commits/master I guess it hasn't been fixed yet :?
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby ledzgio » 2013-11-13 09:22

jube wrote:ok finished all the scripting, uploading a new set of release builds,
as promissed there is an install script,
I am typing in a cinnamon session now :),
must say release version much faster more stable than git versions
BUT i wrote the install script for my own system and it depends on having used my build scripts, if you want to keep gdm ( or simmilar), or you are downloading the debs you need to mod the script, i use xinit amd the alternatives system :)

Well i have not had good experiences with the lmde versions of cinnamon, they arrange their deps really wierd, last time i tried could not install without a
massive ammount of hassle and work, some deps seem just not to exist :)
Plus they dont use cinnamon-controll centre or cinnamon-session/settings deamon, maybe all will change for 2?



Thanks for the script, I will try it in a while and I will let you know.

I have two questions:

1) how can I install mdm?
2) so you think debian will support one day Cinnamon 2 on their repositories?

thanks
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby jube » 2013-11-13 09:22

err no :)
the install script ( which is here https://github.com/Jubei-Mitsuyoshi/deb ... l-cinnamon ) is just for the way i like to set X up
which is no mdm/gdm or the like, i use startx.
You will have to modify it to your tastes.
Also remember i am a "root freak" everything i do is in a root environment, if your not doing the same lots of sudo/su will be appropriate :)
These packages are the first of a series, later builds will increasingly have my code changes integrated.
A fresh setup is def the way to go.

Yes very happy to say the cpu bug totally fixed, gnome system monitor shows ony 0-5%, about what one would expect since the whole thing is built on python and html
But the speed/stability improvements are way beyond that, feels so much snappier its amazing :)
There is one regression i am looking at tho, eariler versions of cinnamon seem to render a lot better, ie higher apparent resolution for a given display ( ie 1920x1080)
And new X stack is not taking custom DPI arguments, there is something UP!!! with messa/x/gtk3 and its really pissing me off, if you dual booting with windows 7
its really clear, windows is puttting 1/3 more data on the screen, thats cos its using the correct DPI for this high DPI screen.

hmmm. my advice would be to stay clear of systemd, its great if you do exactly what it wants you to do, try bending anything and it just breaks like a dry stick :)
Init scripts bend like birch :)
Debian has plenty of sysd in it already, but thats because upstream has forced it upon them, with a bit of time and my newfound c/c++ skills think i can fix that .)

and thanks i really should read the commits :)
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby jube » 2013-11-13 09:26

yes cinnamon 2 will def find its way into debian propper, but you will have a LONG wait :)
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby ledzgio » 2013-11-13 10:00

jube wrote:yes cinnamon 2 will def find its way into debian propper, but you will have a LONG wait :)


LONG wait is too long for me :D hopefully we can take advantage of LMDE repos to install cinnamon 2 on debian..
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby nath » 2013-11-13 10:36

I started with a fresh setup, installed mdm, the latest debs from your git and run the install script (which purged gnome packages and let me choose session and window manager via update-alternatives), all from root. Result: same issues as before (control panel, settings dialog, locking, etc. not working). Messing with Desktop Environment installations is clearly not my thing. I think I'll just wait for Cinnamon 2 to land in Mint's repo and use LMDE... Thanks anyway.
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby jube » 2013-11-13 10:53

nath wrote:I started with a fresh setup, installed mdm, the latest debs from your git and run the install script (which purged gnome packages and let me choose session and window manager via update-alternatives), all from root. Result: same issues as before (control panel, settings dialog, locking, etc. not working). Messing with Desktop Environment installations is clearly not my thing. I think I'll just wait for Cinnamon 2 to land in Mint's repo and use LMDE... Thanks anyway.



now thats interesting :)
ok i started from a kali setup, which is just wheezy with pre-installed gnome-fallback, then updated to sid-

Try this.

Get into aptitude

/

gives you the search box

search for gnome-core

enter

gets you into the listing

see which components of gnome-core you may be missing,

obvious important ones are gconf/dconf gvfs, the gtk,s gnome-pannel,
terminal, etc

cntr--t

gives you the menue , got to preferences
enter prefs and turn 'install recomends automatically' to off ( unclick check box )

q

to get back

scroll to bits you might be missing from gnome-core
( avoid gnome session, settings deamon, nautilus, gnome screen saver and all the non essential crap )

+

to mark em for install

g

to see you selection for install, make sure you have nothing you DONT want

g

to install them

do the whole process a couple of times and find which components are the missing ones,
THEN PLESE PLESE POST your results :), i will put the missing comps in my install script
thanks loads :)


oh and make sure you have java installed (jdk7)
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Re: Cinnamon 2 on Debian testing jessie

Postby ledzgio » 2013-11-13 11:41

@Jube
Why your release-builds are now for sid? do you think is better to use testing or sid?

thanks
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