Defeat and Hope for GNU/Linux
Posted: 2014-07-31 23:19
Gentle reader, feel free to skip straight to the corrected/completed version
of the the text below, just third post from here, or click here:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 72#p548548
=============================
This is a draft post, with a few unfinished parts (such as marked with "LINK
HERE"). However, I'm exhausted at this end of a several days woth of personal
research on the topic, and wish to post it that much, in minor part,
unfinished, to be able to have some rest afterwards. Allow typoes/other
errors/incompletenesses corrections/completions later. please!
I've read some (only some) of the discussions of the thread:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/20 ... html#00441
for the
Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal
E.g., one message that I liked is this one:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/20 ... 00370.html
and I wish to thank the members of the Debian Technical Committee:
Steve Langasek
and
Ian Jackson
whose views and standpoints I admire and would follow wrt to the issue.
I wish to thank them for trying to bring reason into Debian.
The defeat is here though, to live with now for the huge majority of Debian
population, because their views haven't prevailed, and their honorable defence
of true GNU/Linux values has not been supported by other members of the
Committee.
It's there, the defeat to live with, for the majority, because the majority, on
average, are even less adept in understanding the Debian inner workings and
GNU/Linux generally, than Poor User Myself.
I maintain this Tips page:
LINK HERE
and otherwise I simply just use Debian, when I don't engage in compiling and
generally using my Gentoo machines.
I came to fuller understanding of what is going on in GNU/Linux because of
issues in Gentoo GNU/Linux that belong to the same categoty or the same global
event in GNU/Linux which is the trasition that also brought to the drastic
change in Debian GNU/Linux characterized by, or sybolized by that Techical
Committee vote.
The issues in Gentoo that spurred me into some two days worth of avid reading
on the event, ended in my writing of this post of Debian Forums, are fully
exposed on this page on Gentoo Forums, for those who care to delve into:
LINK HERE
However, non-expert me, couldn't possibly address the presence of such programs
that I denouce there as "thingisized" in my Debian box, simply for reasons of
my insufficient abilities in this field. So all this time I lived with them in
Debian.
But let me tell you how I came all the way to partially studying that thread.
Which is some four months old news really.
I decided I needed to know more on those issues, and, a strong antagonist of
blanket surveillance on electronic communication as I am, I went and studied:
http://www.mempo.org
and associated pages. which, since I first noticed it, has made progress that
fills me with hope!
And it started dawning on Poor User Myself why Mempo forks away from Wheezy and
not from Jessie which I use on my Tips page (I also have a:
LINK HERE
Jigdo.)
Also it dawned on me that I will have to try and join there, (well, hardly any
more then) as tester, and change such programs (as those "thingisized" that I
successfully removed from my Gentoo) from Jessie for the better that Mempo will
offer from Wheezy.
Then I started reading this thread on Gentoo Forums, that I recommend to any
and all GNU/Linux user willing to go through the effort of many hours worth of
reading of discussions:
When (and if) Gentoo will switch to systemd?
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-981256.html
It's 18 long pages of discussion, but it is also multiple links pointed at from
various of those pages of which I'd like to point these out:
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/01 ... the-world/
and
Wich distro are still commited to NOT using systemd?
http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/ ... not_using/
Being allergic to surveillance, isn't that sufficient reason to shake off that
control-parisitism at least for a while?, I went anonymous to study simply
(hopefully) unsurveilled.
So I actually tried to use, part of the time plain Tor from USB stick, and part
of the time the Debian's Tails (from https://www.tails-boum.org IIRC). Last
time I used Tails was before that systemd windozing of Debian event in March of
2014, probably months before that defeat.
I could use Tails on my system without a hitch back then, back then I could
post on Tails forums and show my posts there to friends if I wanted to, and the
feel of Debian's Tails, and of Debian's Tails pages was welcoming and
enjoyable, you felt they were genuine and honest, at least for the greatest
part of the team.
This time around, I first installed Tails on DVD and I expected that on my old Abit AT8-32X MBO
there won't be issues installing Tails on a USB stick and booting off from
it, just like back then...
...But lo and behold, in those, maybe seven, or more or less, months time since
I last used Tails, when I booted on that same system from USB stick... Lo and
behold, no such thing this time around. I could install Tails on my USB stick,
one or another, yes I could, but no way could I boot from it on that old system
that booted Debian GNU/Linux Tails Anonymity Live DVD/CD just fine some, maybe,
seven or more months ago! No way! I will recount, slowly.
And also the Debian's Tails' pages are soooo... soo dummy-oriented in this end
of July 2014 as if the Debian Tails team decided to forget about all that
Debian has ever been and to look like the other one OS which has always been
the worst of the worst from the stanpoint of freedom and I'd say honesty and
humanity, and which is: M$ Windows.
Debian's "anonimity" Live OS Tails has been windozed.
Everything is GUI based. Whatever happens is not told to the user. In vain I
searched for the reason why, in the FAQ, no mention there, well no real mention
of how to install Tails to boot on old systems, who cares! It's just like
Windoze dropped all of their XP users, the windozed (verb, passive) Tails have
to stick to the best windozed OS in the world labes, that I give it now in this
article, and similarly ditch any old MBO, and not tell those users with old
MBO's the howto.
But anyway, I wouldn't anymore care now for Tails, I don't think, so if any of
you newfangled windozed Tails team are reading this, it's too late.
Here's why. I don't think you can go back from that much apostasy, I wish you
could, and indeed I wish I am wrong in my statement and that you indeed would
revert to Freedom, the GNU/Linux Freedom of the Free Open Source Software...
But I'm afraid you can't. It's too late. It's like the cancer in advanced
stage, an invisible moral one, the historical one of Billy the Bandit Gates and
his Gang who sowed tricks and legalese on ignorant (and lazy, true) masses to
plunder and enslave a great chunk of the world of computing of the planet
Earth; it is the invisible moral cancer of all those ugly (on the inside)
greedy and false people who grow moneys in their hearts like, say, Google and
their likes. How it caught you, I don't know. I know it makes me so sad,
because I love GNU/Linux. I have bevieved in it, I still believe in it, just
not in the apostates' hands.
All the non-EFI MBOs are ditched by Tails just like XP by M$.
I have other system in my SOHO, but I like to use my old system to access the
internet. And my Abit AT8-32X system is non-EFI, so it couldn't possibly boot,
not with any of the for-dummy instructions available on the current Tails
pages. Because the Tails from my DVD installed on my USB stick the EFI-only
capable Tails on the stick. No stories told, pure GUI-only instructions there.
It's soooo... sooo.... (I don't want to say bad words) ...non-GNU, non-moral,
non-honest. It's soo false!
Another thing, that makes the windozing of the Debian Tails complete is, of
course, the, some of the readers guessed it, didn't they, the poetteningware!
The great destructor's ware, his own, of all things GNU, from the inside, with
all due GPL, or LGPL or some dual label or what not, insignia, the one and only
Lennart Poettering's:
systemD
"D" purposefully capitalized, such as in the D-Day, "D" for decision, and,
sadly, "D" for destruction.
I also remember I tested, the Tails DVD, for how it would install FFmpeg, by
which I most certainly mean the allegedly (by the impostors, as some of us
believe they are, read on) "obsolete" ffmpeg from http://www.FFmpeg.org (people from
what and who they are I couldn't care less, as long as their program is not
imposed on me, but it's people from http://www.libav.com maybe, I really don't know,
just their program is avconv, and impostors they are, because of the
following)...
I removed some, and added this line in /etc/apt/sources.list a line similar to,
not exactly same, but only similar to this:
deb http://deb-multimedia.org/pub/deb-mm wheezy main
(I don't remember exactly because I'm writing this two days after the event)
The line was correct, because I was able to fetch and install the key from that
Christian Marillat's non-official Debian multimedia repo, pls. see my Tips:
LINK HERE
and apt-get update. But...
...But, when I issued the command:
apt-get install ffmpeg
then what it wanted to install, was not the ffmpeg from the
deb-multimedia.org, no.
It wanted to install the libav-tools and their associated packages.
Isn't that being impostors? Their program is not ffmpeg, but avconv.
I already had such issue in Gentoo:
LINK HERE
But it must be the dear Schmoog that's taking over and financing these
underhanded deals and behavior. Such things would never have happened in Free
GNU/Linux.
The good programs, the pure programs, the true free programs created/compiled
by great people like the FFmpeg team, like the Grsecurity/Pax Spender and Pax
Team geniuses, like Christian Marillat of deb-multimedia.org, those are
certainly not financed by Schmoog, not Red Hat, nor any such entity that
conceal and promote in the decision process invisible to the Free GNU/Linux
community in a state of near collapse of its true value, the community to which
we all still belong, no, these shiny honest programs are certainly not helped
in any way by any of such entities that conceal and promote in their hierarchy
the will and the decisions of just a few who manipulate these events, such as
this windozing of GNU/Linux Debian Jessie event.
So, I'm afraid, Tails is dead for me, unless there are some huge changes in the
opposite direction to the ones I just related to you above.
And, hope I still have in my heart fro Debian, but only if one of the two can
be accomplished.
Either Mempo pulls truly off and stands up on its feet, which if it happens, my
joy will be immense, the preferable outcome.
Or someone helps me figure out how to revert form non-systemd in my Jessie, and
keeep on with my Grsecurity Tip, as all these months for almost one year now,
the comforting outcome.
I'm betting on Mempo, and I think I'll try and become a tester.
Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia,
http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
publictimestamp.org/ptb/PTB-21260 sha256 2014-07-31 21:01:46 UTC
E412D171157979E215F7354748BABF3FE01773D004AD0E75DF6CAA075808F294
of the the text below, just third post from here, or click here:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 72#p548548
=============================
This is a draft post, with a few unfinished parts (such as marked with "LINK
HERE"). However, I'm exhausted at this end of a several days woth of personal
research on the topic, and wish to post it that much, in minor part,
unfinished, to be able to have some rest afterwards. Allow typoes/other
errors/incompletenesses corrections/completions later. please!
I've read some (only some) of the discussions of the thread:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/20 ... html#00441
for the
Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal
E.g., one message that I liked is this one:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/20 ... 00370.html
and I wish to thank the members of the Debian Technical Committee:
Steve Langasek
and
Ian Jackson
whose views and standpoints I admire and would follow wrt to the issue.
I wish to thank them for trying to bring reason into Debian.
The defeat is here though, to live with now for the huge majority of Debian
population, because their views haven't prevailed, and their honorable defence
of true GNU/Linux values has not been supported by other members of the
Committee.
It's there, the defeat to live with, for the majority, because the majority, on
average, are even less adept in understanding the Debian inner workings and
GNU/Linux generally, than Poor User Myself.
I maintain this Tips page:
LINK HERE
and otherwise I simply just use Debian, when I don't engage in compiling and
generally using my Gentoo machines.
I came to fuller understanding of what is going on in GNU/Linux because of
issues in Gentoo GNU/Linux that belong to the same categoty or the same global
event in GNU/Linux which is the trasition that also brought to the drastic
change in Debian GNU/Linux characterized by, or sybolized by that Techical
Committee vote.
The issues in Gentoo that spurred me into some two days worth of avid reading
on the event, ended in my writing of this post of Debian Forums, are fully
exposed on this page on Gentoo Forums, for those who care to delve into:
LINK HERE
However, non-expert me, couldn't possibly address the presence of such programs
that I denouce there as "thingisized" in my Debian box, simply for reasons of
my insufficient abilities in this field. So all this time I lived with them in
Debian.
But let me tell you how I came all the way to partially studying that thread.
Which is some four months old news really.
I decided I needed to know more on those issues, and, a strong antagonist of
blanket surveillance on electronic communication as I am, I went and studied:
http://www.mempo.org
and associated pages. which, since I first noticed it, has made progress that
fills me with hope!
And it started dawning on Poor User Myself why Mempo forks away from Wheezy and
not from Jessie which I use on my Tips page (I also have a:
LINK HERE
Jigdo.)
Also it dawned on me that I will have to try and join there, (well, hardly any
more then) as tester, and change such programs (as those "thingisized" that I
successfully removed from my Gentoo) from Jessie for the better that Mempo will
offer from Wheezy.
Then I started reading this thread on Gentoo Forums, that I recommend to any
and all GNU/Linux user willing to go through the effort of many hours worth of
reading of discussions:
When (and if) Gentoo will switch to systemd?
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-981256.html
It's 18 long pages of discussion, but it is also multiple links pointed at from
various of those pages of which I'd like to point these out:
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/01 ... the-world/
and
Wich distro are still commited to NOT using systemd?
http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/ ... not_using/
Being allergic to surveillance, isn't that sufficient reason to shake off that
control-parisitism at least for a while?, I went anonymous to study simply
(hopefully) unsurveilled.
So I actually tried to use, part of the time plain Tor from USB stick, and part
of the time the Debian's Tails (from https://www.tails-boum.org IIRC). Last
time I used Tails was before that systemd windozing of Debian event in March of
2014, probably months before that defeat.
I could use Tails on my system without a hitch back then, back then I could
post on Tails forums and show my posts there to friends if I wanted to, and the
feel of Debian's Tails, and of Debian's Tails pages was welcoming and
enjoyable, you felt they were genuine and honest, at least for the greatest
part of the team.
This time around, I first installed Tails on DVD and I expected that on my old Abit AT8-32X MBO
there won't be issues installing Tails on a USB stick and booting off from
it, just like back then...
...But lo and behold, in those, maybe seven, or more or less, months time since
I last used Tails, when I booted on that same system from USB stick... Lo and
behold, no such thing this time around. I could install Tails on my USB stick,
one or another, yes I could, but no way could I boot from it on that old system
that booted Debian GNU/Linux Tails Anonymity Live DVD/CD just fine some, maybe,
seven or more months ago! No way! I will recount, slowly.
And also the Debian's Tails' pages are soooo... soo dummy-oriented in this end
of July 2014 as if the Debian Tails team decided to forget about all that
Debian has ever been and to look like the other one OS which has always been
the worst of the worst from the stanpoint of freedom and I'd say honesty and
humanity, and which is: M$ Windows.
Debian's "anonimity" Live OS Tails has been windozed.
Everything is GUI based. Whatever happens is not told to the user. In vain I
searched for the reason why, in the FAQ, no mention there, well no real mention
of how to install Tails to boot on old systems, who cares! It's just like
Windoze dropped all of their XP users, the windozed (verb, passive) Tails have
to stick to the best windozed OS in the world labes, that I give it now in this
article, and similarly ditch any old MBO, and not tell those users with old
MBO's the howto.
But anyway, I wouldn't anymore care now for Tails, I don't think, so if any of
you newfangled windozed Tails team are reading this, it's too late.
Here's why. I don't think you can go back from that much apostasy, I wish you
could, and indeed I wish I am wrong in my statement and that you indeed would
revert to Freedom, the GNU/Linux Freedom of the Free Open Source Software...
But I'm afraid you can't. It's too late. It's like the cancer in advanced
stage, an invisible moral one, the historical one of Billy the Bandit Gates and
his Gang who sowed tricks and legalese on ignorant (and lazy, true) masses to
plunder and enslave a great chunk of the world of computing of the planet
Earth; it is the invisible moral cancer of all those ugly (on the inside)
greedy and false people who grow moneys in their hearts like, say, Google and
their likes. How it caught you, I don't know. I know it makes me so sad,
because I love GNU/Linux. I have bevieved in it, I still believe in it, just
not in the apostates' hands.
All the non-EFI MBOs are ditched by Tails just like XP by M$.
I have other system in my SOHO, but I like to use my old system to access the
internet. And my Abit AT8-32X system is non-EFI, so it couldn't possibly boot,
not with any of the for-dummy instructions available on the current Tails
pages. Because the Tails from my DVD installed on my USB stick the EFI-only
capable Tails on the stick. No stories told, pure GUI-only instructions there.
It's soooo... sooo.... (I don't want to say bad words) ...non-GNU, non-moral,
non-honest. It's soo false!
Another thing, that makes the windozing of the Debian Tails complete is, of
course, the, some of the readers guessed it, didn't they, the poetteningware!
The great destructor's ware, his own, of all things GNU, from the inside, with
all due GPL, or LGPL or some dual label or what not, insignia, the one and only
Lennart Poettering's:
systemD
"D" purposefully capitalized, such as in the D-Day, "D" for decision, and,
sadly, "D" for destruction.
I also remember I tested, the Tails DVD, for how it would install FFmpeg, by
which I most certainly mean the allegedly (by the impostors, as some of us
believe they are, read on) "obsolete" ffmpeg from http://www.FFmpeg.org (people from
what and who they are I couldn't care less, as long as their program is not
imposed on me, but it's people from http://www.libav.com maybe, I really don't know,
just their program is avconv, and impostors they are, because of the
following)...
I removed some, and added this line in /etc/apt/sources.list a line similar to,
not exactly same, but only similar to this:
deb http://deb-multimedia.org/pub/deb-mm wheezy main
(I don't remember exactly because I'm writing this two days after the event)
The line was correct, because I was able to fetch and install the key from that
Christian Marillat's non-official Debian multimedia repo, pls. see my Tips:
LINK HERE
and apt-get update. But...
...But, when I issued the command:
apt-get install ffmpeg
then what it wanted to install, was not the ffmpeg from the
deb-multimedia.org, no.
It wanted to install the libav-tools and their associated packages.
Isn't that being impostors? Their program is not ffmpeg, but avconv.
I already had such issue in Gentoo:
LINK HERE
But it must be the dear Schmoog that's taking over and financing these
underhanded deals and behavior. Such things would never have happened in Free
GNU/Linux.
The good programs, the pure programs, the true free programs created/compiled
by great people like the FFmpeg team, like the Grsecurity/Pax Spender and Pax
Team geniuses, like Christian Marillat of deb-multimedia.org, those are
certainly not financed by Schmoog, not Red Hat, nor any such entity that
conceal and promote in the decision process invisible to the Free GNU/Linux
community in a state of near collapse of its true value, the community to which
we all still belong, no, these shiny honest programs are certainly not helped
in any way by any of such entities that conceal and promote in their hierarchy
the will and the decisions of just a few who manipulate these events, such as
this windozing of GNU/Linux Debian Jessie event.
So, I'm afraid, Tails is dead for me, unless there are some huge changes in the
opposite direction to the ones I just related to you above.
And, hope I still have in my heart fro Debian, but only if one of the two can
be accomplished.
Either Mempo pulls truly off and stands up on its feet, which if it happens, my
joy will be immense, the preferable outcome.
Or someone helps me figure out how to revert form non-systemd in my Jessie, and
keeep on with my Grsecurity Tip, as all these months for almost one year now,
the comforting outcome.
I'm betting on Mempo, and I think I'll try and become a tester.
Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia,
http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
publictimestamp.org/ptb/PTB-21260 sha256 2014-07-31 21:01:46 UTC
E412D171157979E215F7354748BABF3FE01773D004AD0E75DF6CAA075808F294