Defeat and Hope for GNU/Linux

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Re: Defeat and Hope for GNU/Linux

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2014-09-20 23:35

Anyone manage to get a monosylabic tl;dr on this yet?
I quite literally can't read it...
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Re: Defeat and Hope for GNU/Linux

Postby timbgo » 2014-09-22 22:04

goulo wrote:But for the many concrete technical posts, which are intended to give concrete helpful technical info (e.g. "to remove systemd, I did this; to remove dbus, I did that; here are the remaining problems to solve; etc"), please "Stay On Target" and focused! :)

How to remove dbus?
The issue remains.
Had issues these days and could not follow here, and possibly will not be able to follow for days:

grsec: halting the system due to suspicious kernel crash ... 457#p14456

Feel free to take just the
"concrete ... technical info"
from there, goulo.

I can't to any fuller extent, only marginal. Am not that advanced.
But I have terrible time fighting those, let's call them with the euphemism: problems.

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Re: Defeat and Hope for GNU/Linux

Postby edbarx » 2014-09-22 22:14

A NULL pointer dereference is always a serious software error because it is in effect trying to read/write unallocated memory. Such a pointer may point at anything, even at system important memory areas. This error is most probably a logic bug which led to the pointer being dereferenced even when it was NULL.
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Re: Defeat and Hope for GNU/Linux

Postby timbgo » 2014-09-24 19:52

Thanks, edbarx.
Brad will look into it. See: ... 477#p14461

And goulo
I'll apologize for my clumsy post above.
You have a reply in (don't read it anyone who don't want to, pls.! ;-) ):
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Re: Defeat and Hope for GNU/Linux

Postby timbgo » 2014-10-25 23:07

I have reread the replies to my thread, and I have to admit that the majority of those have score of points of validity. So my apologies.

However, I hope you can see that I have improved in my presentations in the meantime.

Currently it is a decision time in Debian. We may lose, lose an awful lot. And lots of us may be leaving Debian (some of the very prominent Debianers like dasein announced they would)...

Pls, everybody, try to lobby for our Developers to do the right thing next in the vote that is taking place these days.

You can find much more about it here:


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