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mean_dean wrote:
does any distro require pulseaudio?
Probably not...maybe some gaming or multimedia distributions - don't know. But i do know Pulseaudio can be difficult to strip out of a system, so for me easier to use a distribution that doesn't have it pre-installed.
Interesting quotes from the Debian wiki, with parallels to systemd:
The sound stack in Linux has been the weakest link in Linux-as-a-desktop, and documentation on the web is often conflicting, out-of-date and dispiriting. Part of the problem is that pulseaudio was released before it was ready. The good news is that as of wheezy it pretty much works as advertised.
ALSA was working pretty well until the push to use pulse audio - pulseaudio was somewhat of a mess in squeeze.
There's a problem with the state of Linux audio, and it's not that it doesn't always work. The issue is that it's overcomplicated. This soon becomes evident if you sit down with a piece of paper and try to draw the relationships between the technologies involved with taking audio from a music file to your speakers: the diagram soon turns into a plate of knotted spaghetti. This is a failure because there's nothing intrinsically more complicated about audio than any other technology. It enters your Linux box at one point and leaves at another.
...sounds eerily familiar to the current state of Linux.
800mhz, 512mb ram, dCore-jessie (Tiny Core with Debian Jessie packages) with BusyBox and Fluxbox.
Most don't have computer access, reuse or pay forward an old computer.
But i do know Pulseaudio can be difficult to strip out of a system, so for me easier to use a distribution that doesn't have it pre-installed.
You can easily install Debian without pulseaudio pre-installed.
As far it is me, the way i have used and installed Debian, it would be the default (assuming the word default makes any sense when it comes to debian. It doesn't).
(it would have been the same way for many others. But there is a change in culture, it seems).
Linadian wrote:I just had to share this, a guy on twitter in this tweet claims this is from an actual Redhat slideshow presentation!
It was indeed from a Red Hat summit presentation in 2014. I think those are on pages 5 and 6. The link was posted to one of the Devuan irc channels a few days ago. Nothing that those of us who are awake didn't already know.
golinux wrote:Nothing that those of us who are awake didn't already know.
I don't travel in Redhat circles, I only just stumbled on it now, and I've never seen it on this forum, so excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuze me. I'm going back to 'sleep' now.
golinux wrote:Nothing that those of us who are awake didn't already know.
I don't travel in Redhat circles, I only just stumbled on it now, and I've never seen it on this forum, so excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuze me. I'm going back to 'sleep' now.
Jeesh! You totally misread my intention. I meant that those of us who are awake know we're being Borged. I accept your apology.
golinux wrote:Nothing that those of us who are awake didn't already know.
I don't travel in Redhat circles, I only just stumbled on it now, and I've never seen it on this forum, so excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuze me. I'm going back to 'sleep' now.
Jeesh! You totally misread my intention. I meant that those of us who are awake know we're being Borged. I accept your apology.
Just goes to show you can't judge the tone of text on a screen without a human voice tone to go with it. My curmudgeon pissy self apologizes, it's not you, it's me, the world sucks now and I hate it, I'm far too sensitive. I primarily posted them for the humour aspect, as for the blind sheep that will swallow any garbage (systemd, political spin, etc) that's spoon fed to them, there's no helping them so I give up. This is me quietly backing away...*boop boop boop*.
Linadian . . . no problem. You do not have a corner on the pissy market. And yes the world sucks by definition but that does not translate into a lifetime of misery. Maybe the weekend will clear the clouds . . .
I am also another user who is dissatisfied with the modernisation of OSs, especially, making them capable of changing important system components or settings without my knowledge.
For all those who wished me good luck in my medical tests, I would like to say that till this moment, nothing serious has been found. However, I am still being investigated for cancer although the probability of it being found are now lower.
Debian == { > 30, 000 packages }; Debian != systemd
The worst infection of all, is a false sense of security!
It is hard to get away from CLI tools.
edbarx wrote:For all those who wished me good luck in my medical tests, I would like to say that till this moment, nothing serious has been found. However, I am still being investigated for cancer although the probability of it being found are now lower.
That's good news! I hope the future tests continue to show you're doing OK.
(I had an old friend die of cancer last year, and a close relative dealing with cancer, so your posts a while back about this struck a chord with me and stayed in my thoughts.)
edbarx wrote:I am also another user who is dissatisfied with the modernisation of OSs, especially, making them capable of changing important system components or settings without my knowledge.
For all those who wished me good luck in my medical tests, I would like to say that till this moment, nothing serious has been found. However, I am still being investigated for cancer although the probability of it being found are now lower.
Before the other thread got shut down, I didn't get a chance to write a word. Wishing you all the best in your fight. No doubt you will come out looking good.
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Debian 12 - FreeBSD
Now THIS is an interesting tweet, check out the tweeters profile, this guy is no tinfoil hat. I just wish I could read German, the linked article looks interesting.
In a (as always with Poettering systemd appearances) impossibly overcrowded space systemd mastermind and Red Hat developer Lennart Poettering announced at the FOSDEM 2015 demolition of the systemd history of last year, told of the most important innovations and announced UEFI Boot mechanism integration in the near future.
"You will hate me for it, I know, but I think it's so great, what we're doing here!" - With these words the controversial systemd developer Lennart Poettering presented in the Developer Room H.1302 FOSDEM 2015, the most important innovation of recent and upcoming systemd agenda: the integration of UEFI certificates and a complete chain of trust is because all Above: "We will integrate into systemd rubber boat I want no one else on my Fedora have, let's kick out Microsoft and the NSA.."
Fedora, systemd monoculture will not be locked down by Microsoft or NSA even though they pay Microsoft for their first boot key.... Makes me feel so safe
Free Software Matters
Ash init durbatulûk, ash init gimbatul,
Ash init thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
My oldest used PC: 1999 imac 333Mhz 256MB PPC abandoned by Debian
Well that's interesting, hopefully that's an option, skip right over systemd infested Jessie and head straight to Sid. Maybe the Debhats have been noticing the exodus and are smelling the coffee. Personally. I don't need this roller-coaster ride, or an NSA friendly init, I'm still going PCLinuxOS, I know I keep saying that, I just have to get around to it, tear down the SSD Raid, format the drives, disconnect one SSD to save as backup hardware, etc, et-f%#@ing-cetera, more pain in the @$$ than meets the eye, but it will be done.
There's a pre-alpha iso of devuan that's been mentioned on the list. At this point it's ~Debian with sysvinit preinstalled (still partly infected, but Xfce as default DE), but they've rebuilt util-linux without systemd: http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/ ... til-linux/
I've pointed my sources.list over there and added their keyring, but it seems it's not yet fully set up:
W: Failed to fetch http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/InRelease Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
W: Failed to fetch http:/packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/Release.gpg Unable to connect to :http:
W: Failed to fetch http:/packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/main/source/Sources Unable to connect to :http:
