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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby goulo » 2014-10-30 20:15

For the more adventurous, you should mention Minix 3.3.0.
http://www.minix3.org/

Its most recent version is stated to be "largely compatible with NetBSD and runs thousands of NetBSD packages."

It's on my "to try out" list in case I become unable to keep my Debian install free of systemd.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby fruitofloom » 2014-10-31 07:58

Shit knows where to add it.
I guess in my book it is a "rather obscure OS".
(last time i tried it, years ago, it was .weird (perhaps it simply was me not being up to me)).
But yes, i completely forgot it. Thanks

Lemme think about it, then probably make a section "others".


My favorites, btw are
Gentoo/Funtoo
Slackware
BSD
(Any of the BSD's, i don't care which one, probably FreeBSD, as i slightly know it.) That mainly is a long time solution, assuming Linux as a whole will be swallowed into Poetter-land.
All of those three are long time around, are comfortable enough and got a userbase not that small.

And refracta, mentioned above by golinux, seems to work pretty well systemd and libsystemd0 free. Just been looking at it.
As antix/anticapitalista is in touch with them, chances are high antix will get it sorted soon too.
So that are the two other favorites, advantage being that they are Debian based. Disadvantage? Well: i for one really want to set a clear sign.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby pcalvert » 2014-10-31 23:24

fruitofloom wrote:What i can say about putty is that it ran on pretty any hardware i tried (where other distros failed. antiX always was quite reliable too). I never used it for something serious though.

You spelled it wrong. It's not "Putty" but "Puppy" (puppy = kleiner Hund).

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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby fleabus » 2014-10-31 23:43

fruitofloom wrote:And refracta, mentioned above by golinux, seems to work pretty well systemd and libsystemd0 free. Just been looking at it.
As antix/anticapitalista is in touch with them, chances are high antix will get it sorted soon too.
So that are the two other favorites, advantage being that they are Debian based. Disadvantage? Well: i for one really want to set a clear sign.

I saw this encouraging bit today:

http://erickoegel.wordpress.com/tag/consolekit2/

Encouraging because I'm now emotionally attached to Xfce..
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Linadian » 2014-11-01 02:00

I posted this link to Linus telling off a systemd developer in the Distrowatch comments, it's good for a laugh, check it out, it's from April/14 so some of you may have read it already.

The more I read about systemd, the more I hate it, Redshat is becoming the Microslop of the Linux world, I ran to Linux to get away from this $#1+.

I just built a machine as a f%#k you to Intel and Nvidia (see sig), I'll be damned if I'm gunna have this blob of $#1+ forced down my throat too. :evil:

I downloaded PC-BSD cuz I'm a GUI-head lazy bastard, gunna check it out.

I'll be very sad when I have to say goodbye to Debian, my first real Linux only (Windows free) experience was Mepis (Debian based).
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby mmix » 2014-11-01 02:52

musl libc based linux distros maybe don't come with systemd/uselessd.
http://wiki.musl-libc.org/wiki/Projects_using_musl
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby fruitofloom » 2014-11-01 03:33

pcalvert wrote:
fruitofloom wrote:What i can say about putty is that it ran on pretty any hardware i tried (where other distros failed. antiX always was quite reliable too). I never used it for something serious though.

You spelled it wrong. It's not "Putty" but "Puppy" (puppy = kleiner Hund).

Phil

Ups. Must be getting old ... :-) Thanks.

Linadian: Well, i am sad too. Really sad. I didn't do that in a hurry. But systemd seems to be against anything i could say bout GNU/Linux or, if you want, *NIX, from the top of my head: KISS, do one, do it well, etc. Also seems to be against anything i could say about Debian: rather conservative, quality over hipness, trust, we don't hide problems, users interests first, etc.

I created a section "other". I hope i didn't miss anything, for sure not by purpose (so a quick note, and i will add it).
Is Solaris a candidate for the section other? To me it seems it gets "mentioned" often, but i got no idea if it is "used" by more than just a few.
I for one don't mind it has it's own section or is listed under "other", but don't wanna "hurt feelings" :-).
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby roseway » 2014-11-01 08:00

I've been using Linux for 15 years, and Debian for 7 years, but I think I'll probably be voting with my feet. I've got a PC-BSD system up and running (it's a quick way to get FreeBSD with a fully configured desktop) and it does everything I want in a smooth and competent manner. I'm using it now, and I think I'll continue to use it.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby alderaan » 2014-11-01 08:07

pcalvert wrote:However, it is not a "normal" distro -- in Puppy you are always root. Personally, I'd use it as a live CD only.

Phil


FWIW it is only a matter of a few seconds to fix that: create new user, logout from root, login as new user. I think that there are a few puppy variants/derivatives/flavours (aka puplets) that have done that already so it is OK out of the box. Also there is always the posibility to install it in an HD either frugally or completely normally.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby mmix » 2014-11-01 11:04

last time i used slitaz linux, there is no systemd/uselessd.
http://www.slitaz.org/en/
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Linadian » 2014-11-01 18:25

Check out this post for a link to main systemd developer Lennart Poettering's rant quotes about us and Linus Torvalds (duplicate posts are not allowed).
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Linadian » 2014-11-01 19:32

This is really neat, Porteus' build your own ISO page. Supposedly it's based on Slackware and has NO virusd. Select your preferences then click build at the bottom, it supplies a link to your custom ISO. :mrgreen:

Edit: I installed a 'custom' Porteus ISO with Unetbootin on to a USB stick, it worked but typically I had to shut off USB 3.0 (VIA chip controlled) and turn IOMMU on. There is a thread about this (and solution), even for Debian.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby pcalvert » 2014-11-01 23:53

Linadian wrote:This is really neat, Porteus' build your own ISO page. Supposedly it's based on Slackware and has NO virusd.

I was just about to mention Porteus. Porteus is based on Slax, which is based on Slackware.

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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Linadian » 2014-11-02 02:10

pcalvert wrote:
Linadian wrote:This is really neat, Porteus' build your own ISO page. Supposedly it's based on Slackware and has NO virusd.

I was just about to mention Porteus. Porteus is based on Slax, which is based on Slackware.

Phil

Am fooling around with Porteus on a USB stick (MBR partition/ext4 formatted), used the Porteus install method to USB stick, it's better, saves all your changes. It's a blast except I'm still trying to figure out/grasp the whole app 'module' concept and 'installation' procedure. Adding it to my list of alternatives (PC-BSD and Porteus so far) for when Debian jumps off the Poettering/Redshat cliff with the rest of the gullible lemmings. :twisted:

Edit: Salix Xfce is looking good too, added to my non-virusd alternatives list.

Edit 2: Just messing around with Salix Xfce Live 14.1rc1 on a USB stick, installed from the ISO to the stick with unetbootin in Debian no problem, make sure you have syslinux and extlinux installed first, unetbootin cried for them earlier. Check out my octa-core in htop, what a scream. Just a heads up, if you start gslapt from the menu from user 'one' (Salix live default user), the pw is "one", NOT blank and NOT "live", took me a while to find that out, ack.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby edbarx » 2014-11-02 10:16

An interesting question related to this thread would be:
Which OSs use apt and which ones have built-in package dependency resolution?

I know of Slackware, but it doesn't have built-in package resolution. It also unduly installs about 8 Giga Bytes as default to make up for its lack of dependency resolution.

I found bypassing ISOs by using programs like debootstrap very attractive to my requirements. I also need an OS that supports chroot maintenance from within another OS. chroot should also be provided by the candidate distribution.

The last requirement is to have binary packages available as compiling everything on a P4 or a T4400 machine looks quite daunting.

Till now, I haven't decided using something else in place of Debian, as Debian offers a huge repository of software, and I want to have development tools available like gcc, g++, lazarus , medit, and obviously the accompanying development libraries - hopefully I didn't forget anything important.
Debian == { > 30, 000 packages }; Debian != systemd
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