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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby golinux » 2014-12-10 18:19

This just posted on the Devuan list:
Hello Devuan people :)
My name is Dragan, from Serbia, and i would like to present our TRIOS GNU/Linux distro based on Debian Jessie, without systemd.

Full xfce desktop, lightdm display manager, OpenRC init etc ... and not a single package from "aliend factory" ;)
Pure debian distro, with our settings.

Our repository(*):
http://mirror.org.rs
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wget -qO - http://mirror.org.rs/mirror.org.rs.gpg.key | apt-key add -
echo "deb http://mirror.org.rs/trios/ mia main non-systemd" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/trios-non-systemd.list
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(*)Big THANKS to Mr. Adam Borowski for taking the time to make this possible :)

Our forum:
http://www.foss.rs

thread about non-systemd TRIOS, with some screenshots and terminal output
http://www.foss.rs/topic/3015-trios-a4sa-i-bez-systemd

Unfortunately, for now only in Serbian, but I hope there will be more members
from other countries, so that we can also write in English.

In the next few days we will publish full live iso version, with our custom installer.
In the meantime, you can try the previous version(systemd-only)
http://sourceforge.net/projects/opensourcesrbija-trios

Regards, and welcome to the free world

Dragan
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby jaketate » 2014-12-11 04:40

golinux wrote:
... present our TRIOS GNU/Linux distro based on Debian Jessie, without systemd.


But not without systemd libs and udev so not a solution I am interested in.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby golinux » 2014-12-11 06:06

jaketate wrote:
golinux wrote:
... present our TRIOS GNU/Linux distro based on Debian Jessie, without systemd.


But not without systemd libs and udev so not a solution I am interested in.

I'm with you on that. Proves you need to read the fine print . . .
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Randicus » 2014-12-11 10:16

Operating systems without systemd:
Windows
Mac OSX
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby schnuller » 2014-12-11 14:16

Both are already listed.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby mean_dean » 2014-12-31 01:43

golinux wrote:... and i would like to present our TRIOS GNU/Linux distro based on Debian Jessie, without systemd.


The openrc internal testing version looks really good. Right now you have to register on the forums and send them a PM to get the download link but it is worth it. I think they plan to go public with it in a few days though.

It has the official meandean seal of approval!
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Linadian » 2014-12-31 19:57

Fortunately I had the luxury of 'test' installing PCLinuxOS MATE on my old machine (to sell it, times are tough, I need the money, the ad I made to sell my old computer says it has PCLinuxOS installed and priced to reflect NO Windows, the buyer can pay the M$ 'tax' if they want to). I was able to 'transfer' all the tips and tricks I picked up over the years about Debian and Linux in general, PCLinuxOS is rpm based but the fundamentals are the same, a little tweak here and a little tweak there and Bob's yer uncle (I'm fussy, I like $#1+ to work and look how I like it). I'm now ready to do a 'prime-time' install on my new machine. FYI, the PCLinuxOS repo may seem small in comparison to Debian's by shear numbers but it's like all the old legacy and useless apps the Debian repos have have been weeded out and omitted, it's a pleasure to surf mostly modern and usable apps. Oh, one more bonus, the 2014.12 version of PCLinuxOS sports the 3.18.1 kernel, it 'feels' snappy, modern and stable. If you do install the MATE version, do yourself a favour and uninstall qt-update-notifier, it's annoying as hell, while you're in there, 'install' task-pulseaudio-remove, it had no ill effects and worked like a charm, alsa works just fine without it, you can re-enable the desktop login sound by editing the Mate login sound option command in Startup, e.g.,
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play <directory>/<soundfilename>


On an offtopic note, I phoned one of my favourite computer stores to gauge the pricing of used systems, I asked the sales dude if they could REMOVE Windows (installed and license only, no install/recovery media included) from an advertised used system to lower the price, he said "oh no, we can't do that, Windows is worked in to the price, that's the way they're sold" (which is stupid because they have an UNLIMITED mass retailer license anyway), I said "oh well, too bad, you just lost a sale", I wasn't really in the market to buy, I just wanted to rub it in, lol, I'm sick of monopolies and $#1++y corporations controlling the marketplace. :twisted:
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby buntunub » 2015-01-01 01:27

Randicus wrote:Operating systems without systemd:
Windows
Mac OSX
:twisted:


Well.. Yeah.. but Windows has svchost!
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby NkfzGx3ok » 2015-01-01 09:55

buntunub wrote:
Randicus wrote:Operating systems without systemd:
Windows
Mac OSX
:twisted:


Well.. Yeah.. but Windows has svchost!


...and OSX has launchd!
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby mean_dean » 2015-01-03 03:25

fruitofloom wrote:Debian based:


Trios openrc testing version - http://www.foss.rs/topic/3036-trios-ope ... rnal-test/

Also you can use their repo packages to make your debian install free of systemd.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby schnuller » 2015-01-03 13:40

Thanks for the info.
The OP can't be edited anymore.
I've been in (on ?) holiday and missed the whole Trios incident.

I for one stick to my original point: either gentoo or slackware or a BSD version. And if i would want to stay with Debian, i would go for kFreeBSD.
At least for now.
(If i wanted to be the beta-tester of an OS, i would go straight for Windows. If i have to do shitloads of work to install and remove packages, i can go straight for gentoo - which, in the end, isn't much work, but mainly a question of time for the installation . Last but not least: if i wanted to talk to fanboys and idiots, i would pick Ubuntu, Mint, Crunchbang or Mepis).
None of the other proposals has convinced me yet.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Job » 2015-01-13 17:57

I am enjoying gNewSense on a spare machine and I have to say this is probably what Debian should have been, mean and simple.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby mardybear » 2015-01-13 19:29

Thanks for reviving the thread Job - don't need to forum search :)

Tiny Core is my present favourite. Uses busybox and can just run Xvesa if desired. Of course Xorg is also available plus many other applications to custom build your system. Running FLTK window manager boots up in seconds and uses a whopping 20MB ram! Opening an aterm, fluff file manager and an editor still uses <25 MB ram. Very responsive and great fun...

To each his/her own but to me this is what computing should be...modular, lean, functional with minimal eye candy and no Meta packages, Desktop Environments or systemd. A default base install does not even include alsa or pulseaudio. YMMV but various graphic and wireless drivers, Alsa, Cups, Samba, etc are all available and so is heavier software if desired (Xfce, LXDE, libreoffice...).

http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/intro.html

The Core Project is a highly modular based system with community build extensions.

It starts with a recent Linux kernel, vmlinuz 3.0, and a 5MB core.gz. MicroCore 8MB is simply the kernel + core.gz - this is the foundation for user created desktops, servers, or appliances. TinyCore is simply the kernel + core.gz + Xvesa.tcz|Xorg.tcz + Xprogs +fltk-1.3.tcz + (user's choice of Window Manager) + wbar.tcz

TinyCore becomes simply an example of what the Core Project can produce, an 12MB FLTK/FLWM desktop.

CorePlus ofers a simple way to get started using the Core philosophy with its included community packaged extensions enabling easy embedded frugal or pendrive installation of the user's choice of supported desktop, while maintaining the Core principal of mounted extensions with full package management.

It is not a complete desktop nor is all hardware completely supported. It represents only the core needed to boot into a very minimal X desktop typically with wired internet access.

The user has complete control over which applications and/or additional hardware to have supported, be it for a desktop, a netbook, an appliance, or server, selectable by the user by installing additional applications from online repositories, or easily compiling most anything you desire using tools provided.


OP: is the alternatives list on post #1 still being updated? IMO Tiny Core and Puppy Linux are valid alternatives. Unfortunately nothing will probably ever beat Debian for package availability.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby schnuller » 2015-01-13 23:17

The list isn't getting updated anymore because the user lost his password and changed his username.
Puppy is in the list, tinyCore isn't.
I guess or hope the OP list is sufficient, else feel free to copy it and update it.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby golinux » 2015-01-13 23:42

schnuller aka fruitoftheloom, nadir (and many others) you really need to keep better track of such things. ;) Don't you ever tire of this multiple personality disorder thing?
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