operating systems without systemd

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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby schnuller » 2015-02-02 04:24

mardybear wrote:
runfrodorun wrote:
Now if we can find operating systems that don't have pulseaudio too I'd be super happy.

Tiny Core, Linux from Scratch, probably Puppy Linux.

I wouldn't bet, still didn't get my head into emerge and equery, but i think Gentoo can be added to the list:
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user$ equery list alsa-utils
 * Searching for alsa-utils ...
[IP-] [  ] media-sound/alsa-utils-1.0.28:0.9
user$ equery list pulseaudio
!!! No installed packages matching 'pulseaudio'
 * Searching for pulseaudio ...
user$

(If Gentoo can be added, Funtoo can be added too. And what else is based on Gentoo. I think gnu.org lists a free distro ... ).
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby mean_dean » 2015-02-02 04:38

does any distro require pulseaudio?
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby mardybear » 2015-02-02 15:57

mean_dean wrote:
does any distro require pulseaudio?

Probably not...maybe some gaming or multimedia distributions - don't know. But i do know Pulseaudio can be difficult to strip out of a system, so for me easier to use a distribution that doesn't have it pre-installed.

Interesting quotes from the Debian wiki, with parallels to systemd:
The sound stack in Linux has been the weakest link in Linux-as-a-desktop, and documentation on the web is often conflicting, out-of-date and dispiriting. Part of the problem is that pulseaudio was released before it was ready. The good news is that as of wheezy it pretty much works as advertised.

ALSA was working pretty well until the push to use pulse audio - pulseaudio was somewhat of a mess in squeeze.

Source: https://wiki.debian.org/Sound

and from: http://tuxradar.com/content/how-it-work ... -explained :

There's a problem with the state of Linux audio, and it's not that it doesn't always work. The issue is that it's overcomplicated. This soon becomes evident if you sit down with a piece of paper and try to draw the relationships between the technologies involved with taking audio from a music file to your speakers: the diagram soon turns into a plate of knotted spaghetti. This is a failure because there's nothing intrinsically more complicated about audio than any other technology. It enters your Linux box at one point and leaves at another.

...sounds eerily familiar to the current state of Linux.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby schnuller » 2015-02-02 16:09

But i do know Pulseaudio can be difficult to strip out of a system, so for me easier to use a distribution that doesn't have it pre-installed.


You can easily install Debian without pulseaudio pre-installed.

As far it is me, the way i have used and installed Debian, it would be the default (assuming the word default makes any sense when it comes to debian. It doesn't).
(it would have been the same way for many others. But there is a change in culture, it seems).
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Linadian » 2015-02-06 04:27

I just had to share this, a guy on twitter in this tweet claims this is from an actual Redhat slideshow presentation!
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Here's another funny from twitter...
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby golinux » 2015-02-06 05:06

Linadian wrote:I just had to share this, a guy on twitter in this tweet claims this is from an actual Redhat slideshow presentation!
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It was indeed from a Red Hat summit presentation in 2014. I think those are on pages 5 and 6. The link was posted to one of the Devuan irc channels a few days ago. Nothing that those of us who are awake didn't already know.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Linadian » 2015-02-06 05:22

golinux wrote:Nothing that those of us who are awake didn't already know.

I don't travel in Redhat circles, I only just stumbled on it now, and I've never seen it on this forum, so excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuze me. I'm going back to 'sleep' now. :roll:
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby golinux » 2015-02-06 05:37

Linadian wrote:
golinux wrote:Nothing that those of us who are awake didn't already know.

I don't travel in Redhat circles, I only just stumbled on it now, and I've never seen it on this forum, so excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuze me. I'm going back to 'sleep' now. :roll:

Jeesh! You totally misread my intention. I meant that those of us who are awake know we're being Borged. I accept your apology. ;)
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby bluecardigan » 2015-02-06 11:42

golinux wrote:Nothing that those of us who are awake didn't already know.

Anyone want fries with that elitism?
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Linadian » 2015-02-06 15:36

golinux wrote:
Linadian wrote:
golinux wrote:Nothing that those of us who are awake didn't already know.

I don't travel in Redhat circles, I only just stumbled on it now, and I've never seen it on this forum, so excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuze me. I'm going back to 'sleep' now. :roll:

Jeesh! You totally misread my intention. I meant that those of us who are awake know we're being Borged. I accept your apology. ;)

Just goes to show you can't judge the tone of text on a screen without a human voice tone to go with it. My curmudgeon pissy self apologizes, it's not you, it's me, the world sucks now and I hate it, I'm far too sensitive. I primarily posted them for the humour aspect, as for the blind sheep that will swallow any garbage (systemd, political spin, etc) that's spoon fed to them, there's no helping them so I give up. This is me quietly backing away...*boop boop boop*.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby golinux » 2015-02-06 16:17

Linadian . . . no problem. You do not have a corner on the pissy market. ;) And yes the world sucks by definition but that does not translate into a lifetime of misery. Maybe the weekend will clear the clouds . . .
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby edbarx » 2015-02-06 16:28

I am also another user who is dissatisfied with the modernisation of OSs, especially, making them capable of changing important system components or settings without my knowledge.

For all those who wished me good luck in my medical tests, I would like to say that till this moment, nothing serious has been found. However, I am still being investigated for cancer although the probability of it being found are now lower.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby goulo » 2015-02-06 16:36

edbarx wrote:For all those who wished me good luck in my medical tests, I would like to say that till this moment, nothing serious has been found. However, I am still being investigated for cancer although the probability of it being found are now lower.

That's good news! I hope the future tests continue to show you're doing OK.

(I had an old friend die of cancer last year, and a close relative dealing with cancer, so your posts a while back about this struck a chord with me and stayed in my thoughts.)
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Job » 2015-02-06 17:33

edbarx wrote:I am also another user who is dissatisfied with the modernisation of OSs, especially, making them capable of changing important system components or settings without my knowledge.

For all those who wished me good luck in my medical tests, I would like to say that till this moment, nothing serious has been found. However, I am still being investigated for cancer although the probability of it being found are now lower.


Before the other thread got shut down, I didn't get a chance to write a word. Wishing you all the best in your fight. No doubt you will come out looking good.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby golinux » 2015-02-06 17:57

@edbarx . . . your absence has been noted. Almost pm'd you yesterday. Welcome back!
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