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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby thanatos_incarnate » 2015-12-31 15:01

This has been talked to death. Just search the forums thoroughly.
Every argument on this has been said so far, so I don't know
what you'd get by engaging in yet another discussion of pro vs con
systemd.

In short: There are ideological concerns about it. If you don't understand them,
then please read about them first before having an opinion and/or ridiculing
opponents of systemd. Besides, Debian is a done deal when it comes to
systemd. It's probably more productive to have these discussions
within groups that decided against it (Devuan, Mepis, Gentoo, Dragora...)
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby golinux » 2015-12-31 15:05

@Starborn . . . It's not about whether a system 'just works' but about how that system limits your freedom to do things another way. The tag line for Devuan, the Debian fork in which I am participating, is:

Software freedom your way

That says it all.

Why anyone would want their options of what software to use and how to use it be diminished? But if you don't mind being locked in and limited that is your choice. Seems like a lack of imagination to me . . .
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby obarun » 2015-12-31 16:11

hello,
with ou without systemd.... not important
having a choice that's all.
not a distro, (edit: not for beginner in linux system) just sharing a work

http://obarun.org :)
obarun.org : free to control your system
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby spacex » 2016-01-01 02:08

obarun wrote:hello,
with ou without systemd.... not important
having a choice that's all.
not a distro, (edit: not for beginner in linux system) just sharing a work

http://obarun.org :)



It is important, because there will be less and less choice, and in the end, quite possibly very little choice at all.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2016-01-01 13:17

^ Don't be silly ew, haven't you heard?

2016 is the year of the plan9 desktop :lol:
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby GarryRicketson » 2016-01-01 14:36

Fortunately there are a plenty of options for those that do not want to use a systemd based OS,
Thanks for sharing this one H_O_A_S, that is a new one to me but it looks interesting.
and Happy New year every one,
As long as there are non-systemd linux kernals available, there are plenty of options, for those willing to explore those options.
This is something that fascinates me about computers, really the options are almost infinite.

There are quite a few options listed here:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
And congratulations, to the "Devuan" team, I see it listed in the above url,
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby mittgreen » 2016-01-01 20:48

GarryRicketson wrote:Fortunately there are a plenty of options for those that do not want to use a systemd based OS,
Thanks for sharing this one H_O_A_S, that is a new one to me but it looks interesting.
and Happy New year every one,
As long as there are non-systemd linux kernals available, there are plenty of options, for those willing to explore those options.
This is something that fascinates me about computers, really the options are almost infinite.

There are quite a few options listed here:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
And congratulations, to the "Devuan" team, I see it listed in the above url,
Devuan

Heh, as long as systemd is not in the kernel yet, all kernels are systemd-free :lol:

without-systemd.org is, as I believe, kind of unofficial Devuan wiki, no wonder it is in the list; their repositories are mentioned in how-tos also.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby GarryRicketson » 2016-01-01 21:49

Heh, as long as systemd is not in the kernel yet, all kernels are systemd-free

I think you are missing the whole point, maybe just "trolling" , ?
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=124366&p=590487#p590475
or trying to argue for the sake of argument,? If that is the case, don't bother with me, I don't like the "game" so I won't play, Anyway, yea, your right,! and I know what you mean man,..what ever you say.

The point is there are many options, for those that do not want to use systemd,
we can take a linux kernel, of our choice, and build on it , and develop what ever
kind of OS or distro, we choose. The choices are with out limit.
And there is quite a few all ready made distros, available.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby mittgreen » 2016-01-02 08:54

GarryRicketson wrote:
Heh, as long as systemd is not in the kernel yet, all kernels are systemd-free

I think you are missing the whole point, maybe just "trolling" , ?
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=124366&p=590487#p590475
or trying to argue for the sake of argument,? If that is the case, don't bother with me, I don't like the "game" so I won't play, Anyway, yea, your right,! and I know what you mean man,..what ever you say.

The point is there are many options, for those that do not want to use systemd,
we can take a linux kernel, of our choice, and build on it , and develop what ever
kind of OS or distro, we choose. The choices are with out limit.
And there is quite a few all ready made distros, available.

It is not, was not and will not be a trolling whatsoever. There I asked questions but no one even tried to response. Forget it.

Here I miss your point, sorry about the "rant" (hype).
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby keithpeter » 2016-01-02 12:21

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:^ Don't be silly ew, haven't you heard?
2016 is the year of the plan9 desktop :lol:

Be very careful about making wishes. They might come true. :twisted:.

Back on topic: Lightweight Personal Security is an interesting live-only thin-station based Linux for people to boot off when they want to contact home base without having to lug a laptop around. Dumb user session, no root, no package management, just an updated version every 3 months or so, you get Firefox, LibreOffice, mtpaint, totem and some communications applications including Citrix and RDP.

With large organisations going over to PXE boot and the prevalence of VPNs for remote working, this could be a way forward. Just patch your master image and push it out to the users... the included software covers 95% of my use cases.

Happy New Year All
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby arochester » 2016-01-02 13:02

Lightweight Personal Security
Last updated October 2014...
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby oswaldkelso » 2016-01-02 13:19

I think we're going off topic. But I don't see how a distro that needs intel and the USAF can be trusted at a core level.
http://libreboot.org/faq/#intel
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby keithpeter » 2016-01-02 16:27

arochester wrote:
Lightweight Personal Security
Last updated October 2014...


http://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm

The .iso itself is dated 07 Dec 2015, the Web pages and documentation have older dates presumably reflecting their last update. It is running a 3.10.something kernel so one would imagine security only patches &c.

oswaldkelso wrote:I think we're going off topic. But I don't see how a distro that needs intel and the USAF can be trusted at a core level.
http://libreboot.org/faq/#intel


I take your point, and appreciate your support of/advocacy for libreboot, and I think I'll start a new thread so as not to derail this one any further.

Happy new year.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby spacex » 2016-01-02 23:53

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:^ Don't be silly ew, haven't you heard?

2016 is the year of the plan9 desktop :lol:


LOL. I should be more precise. Less choice for the average user. People with skills will always manage. Then again, the average user might not care whether they use this or that, but that's a dangerous thought to use as a guide-line to develop "The Universal OS". "Most of them don't care, so it doesn't matter?"

Anyways, I'll manage. But I dislike the direction of Linux in general today. Which pretty much is to follow Windows in whatever misguided direction MS walks in.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby HuangLao » 2016-01-06 01:01

you could always check out http://www.slackware.com/ or http://www.salixos.org/ if you want to avoid systemd.

Of course you can use sysv on Debian still or play with Devuan.
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