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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby spacex » 2016-01-06 02:25

HuangLao wrote:you could always check out http://www.slackware.com/ or http://www.salixos.org/ if you want to avoid systemd.

Of course you can use sysv on Debian still or play with Devuan.


I have no problem avoiding Systemd, but that's besides the point. I'm not talking on behalf of myself, as I am of those that will always manage no matter what.

I don't need a distro to use. I use TweakOS. My own distro. Nothing else. But it's based on Debian, and therefore I decided to go with whatever is the default in Debian. But I'm starting to question if this was the right "choice". Regardless whether I would choose Systemd or not myself, I dislike the way that it has been pushed down on us...

Personally I started to use Systemd many years ago, but the big difference is that back then I did it by choice. And of course that Systemd then started out as a init-system, but has evolved into something that is starting to feel like it's taking over pretty much everything. So you see, it's only now I'm starting to get bad feelings about it...
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby spacex » 2016-01-21 01:32

I recommend this for anyone looking for a good distro without systemd:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/linnix/

If you love the minimal approach, you will love this :)
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby xinu » 2016-01-29 17:17



wanna try it , it is installable on usb ?
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby spacex » 2016-01-30 00:28

xinu wrote:


wanna try it , it is installable on usb ?


Yes, it is.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby xinu » 2016-01-31 03:11

fruitofloom wrote:BSD (in short: all *BSD ones come without systemd)


http://www.ghostbsd.org/
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby xinu » 2016-02-01 16:05

gnewsense

http://www.gnewsense.org/

RMS' s distro !
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby oswaldkelso » 2016-02-02 01:09

xinu wrote:gnewsense

http://www.gnewsense.org/

RMS' s distro !


Nope.


I use a Thinkpad X60 computer, in which the FSF installed a free initialization program (libreboot) and a free operating system (Trisquel GNU/Linux.) This is the first computer model ever to be sold commercially with a free initialization program and a free operating system, and thus the first computer product the FSF could endorse. (It was not sold that way by Lenovo, however.)

Before that, I used the Lemote Yeeloong for several years. At the time, it was the only laptop one could buy that could run a free initialization program and a free operating system. But it was never sold with a free operating system.

Before that, I used an OLPC for some weeks. I stopped because the OLPC project decided to make their machine support Windows, so I did not want to appear to endorse it. The OLPC uses a nonfree firmware blob for the WiFi, so I could not use the internal WiFi device. No big problem, I used an external one.

The results I worried about, millions of children running Windows on the OLPC, have not occurred. Instead we see millions of children running Windows on the Intel Classmate.

Before that I used machines that ran completely free GNU/Linux systems but had nonfree BIOSes. I tried for about 8 years to find a way to avoid the nonfree BIOS.


Gnewsence and Trisquel , while they don't currently use systemd will when they upgrade. There is only one FSF approved distro that is, and aims to remain systemd free and that's Dragora. I'm running the old 2.2 version and it's rock solid and cranky as hell if you want it up to date.

Dragora 3 on the other hand is about to give birth any time soon http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/dragora.git/log/ and that is similar principals but more hardware support..... actually more of everything but it's still not a lot because that's the point. KISS, YAGNI, and DRY are the guiding Principles
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby TonyVanDam » 2016-02-02 01:39

fruitofloom wrote:Debian ports
--------------------
Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
Debian GNU/HURD


Debian based:
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grml: http://download.grml.org/devel/grml64-f ... 10-rc1.iso (with libsystemd0)
antix: https://sourceforge.net/projects/antix- ... antiX-14R/ (for testing, libsystemd0 ? )
refracta: https://downloads.sourceforge.net/proje ... 7_1300.iso (for testing, without libsystemd0, it's pinned)
exegnulinux: http://exegnulinux.net/downloads/jessie/
Kali: distro only for pentesters and wannabes.

BSD (in short: all *BSD ones come without systemd)
-------------
FreeBSD
OpenBSD
NetBSD
DragonflyBSD
PC-BSD
MirBSD
TrueOS

Gnu/Linux
----------------
Slackware
Salix
Slax
Porteus
Gentoo
Funtoo
Liberte
Dragora
Crux
PCLinuxOS
Void Linux
Putty
Slitaz
Stella
Pisi

Solaris
----------
Solaris
OpenIndiana
others based on Solaris ...

Other and obscure solutions:
-------------
minix3
haiku
plan9 / inferno
musl-libc based distros (not sure): http://wiki.musl-libc.org/wiki/Projects_using_musl
Windows OS'es
Apple OS'es
FirefoxOS
Android


On the GNU/Linux list, you forgot to add antiX, MX, & LinuxBBQ

On the BSD list, you forgot to add GhostBSD.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby TonyVanDam » 2016-02-02 01:55

fruitofloom wrote:Slightly elder and incomplete list of software which doesn't need systemd (created by Dean, aka mr-aka)
Might be worth a thread on it's own ... am open for suggestions.


preferences file:
Package: *systemd*
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

basics
xorg
alsa-base
alsa-utils



user environments & components
jwm
icewm
fluxbox
openbox
ratpoison
sawfish

fbpanel
lxpanel

deskmenu

razorqt-desktop
razorqt-panel
razorqt-runner
razorqt-session
razorqt-config



file managers
pcmanfm
xfe
doublecmd-gtk
doublecmd-qt
rox-filer




login manager
xdm
wdm
qingy




ide/editors
geany
scite
mousepad
leafpad


terminals
lxterminal
mrxvt
xterm
rxvt
roxterm


web browsers
iceweasel
chromium
arora
xxxterm
dillo
surf
netsurf
qupzilla


email clients
sylpheed
claws-mail



web software
filezilla
weechat
lostirc
irssi
aria2


office
abiword
gnumeric
osmo


misc
gourmet



audio/video
moc
vlc-nox



utilities
file-roller
xarchiver
grun
pmount


Based upon the most recent d-u, I'm not so sure about Xorg now.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby keithpeter » 2016-02-18 10:58

Hello All

Zenwalk Linux 8 beta2 64bit only is basically a very opinionated version of Slackware Linux -current that boots into runlevel 4 and that is based around the xfce4 DE. Zenwalk thus occupies a place on the list of GNU/Linux operating systems that do not depend on systemd at present.

The author (Jean-Philippe Guillemin) is proud of the one application per task approach he has adopted. Libreoffice 5 is included which makes a default install usable directly. In this way, Zenwalk is like Microlinux except with an .iso and modified installer.

You get a 1Gb iso with very a slightly modified version of the Slackware installer (be prepared to use the # prompt to partition using cfdisk before running the setup script, and be prepared to reboot and create a user). Once you have created your user and logged in, you have a graphical package manager called netpkg. A slimmed down Slackware core is all underneath with all the compiler tools and libraries. The modified installer makes installing from a USB stick slightly easier than traditional Slackware as the USB stick option appears in the packages sources list. User creation is also driven through an ncurses dialogue rather than at the terminal prompt.

I was able to revert this installation to actual Slackware -current very easily by setting up a slackpkg mirror and using the usual slackpkg commands so I believe the author when he says it is Slackware with configurations.

http://support.zenwalk.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=982864

The author explains what Zenwalk 8.0 is about

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/83058.html [Zenwalk 8 Beta Led Me Down a Rocky Road]

A comically bad review of Zenwalk that in my opinion manages to miss the whole point of the distribution's existence. Zenwalk 8 uses the *Slackware* installer and is compatible with *Slackware* by *design*. Any rocks on the road the reviewer took were there because of a lack of research and basic fact gathering. Alas, this review now dominates the Google results for Zenwalk.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby xinu » 2016-02-18 17:10

May the FORK be with you!

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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby keithpeter » 2016-02-19 17:59

OK, I'll get flamed for this, but I give you ChromiumOS from Google as an example of a systemd free GNU/Linux distro :twisted:

I'm playing with the free version from neverware.com. They are trying to base a business on re-purposing older laptops in schools and colleges. They have added a range of hardware drivers to the Google ChromiumOS build. Actually works rather well on an 8 year old Thinkpad.

Below from the 'terminal' on a 'neverware' ChromiumOS install.

Code: Select all
localhost / # stat /sbin/init
  File: '/sbin/init'
  Size: 157540          Blocks: 320        IO Block: 4096   regular file
Device: 10302h/66306d   Inode: 15920       Links: 1
Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
Access: 2016-01-26 03:11:17.338577914 +0000
Modify: 2016-01-26 00:58:51.000000000 +0000
Change: 2016-01-26 03:09:12.956465450 +0000
 Birth: -
localhost / # ldd /sbin/init
        linux-gate.so.1 (0x776b8000)
        libnih.so.1 => /lib/libnih.so.1 (0x77693000)
        libnih-dbus.so.1 => /lib/libnih-dbus.so.1 (0x77689000)
        libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 (0x77631000)
        librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0x77629000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x7747e000)
        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x776ba000)
        libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x77463000)


You can actually run a live session without installing. There is even a 'guest' mode where you don't need a Google login.

Strange times.
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby xinu » 2016-02-25 15:45

small, nice, underrated, BEST distro around >>> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pisi
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby mardybear » 2016-03-23 22:01

Presently lots of options and hopefully it won't come to this, BusyBox-based distributions may be the last left standing for systemd avoidance a few years down the road:
remove systemd support
systemd people are not willing to play nice with the rest of the world.
Therefore there is no reason for the rest of the world to cooperate with them.

Signed-off-by: Denys Vlasenko

https://git.busybox.net/busybox/commit/ ... ed5f3bb346
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Re: operating systems without systemd

Postby mardybear » 2016-03-23 22:06

Still beta, could become special, BSD boot and Ubuntu's huge repositories:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntubsd/

Personally still enjoying dCore, BusyBox boot and Debian or Ubuntu's repositories:
http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/dcore:faq
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