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Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby Lecram » 2015-12-14 07:37

Just read the slackware changelogs they moved to eudev which means they have rejected systemd.

Source:
http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386
http://www.blog.paranoidpenguin.net/201 ... -to-eudev/
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby thanatos_incarnate » 2015-12-14 08:09

Yes. Technologies like eudev, consolekit2 or vdev make that possible.
I'd like to see how these distros develop now. I'm also looking forward
to seeing "who was right" in a way, i.e. who has the leanest implementation
of some new ideas. It would be great to see Slackware/Devuan give
momentum to some of the leaner alternatives to systemd, like openrc,
just to see if all of the new stuff can't be replicated with it.
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby arabianights » 2015-12-14 17:58

I'm testing Slackware in virtualbox now.

Once I got a handle on slackware, I'd like to completely migrate away from Debian. since launch of debian8, I've tried various non-systemd distros such as FreeBSD, openindiana, and voidlinux etc. FreeBSD is a fine OS, although pkg sometimes broke installed application. openindiana doesn't work well on my machines, voidlinux is pretty good (with 'runit' as init).
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby HuangLao » 2015-12-14 19:27

arabianights wrote:I'm testing Slackware in virtualbox now.

Once I got a handle on slackware, I'd like to completely migrate away from Debian. since launch of debian8, I've tried various non-systemd distros such as FreeBSD, openindiana, and voidlinux etc. FreeBSD is a fine OS, although pkg sometimes broke installed application. openindiana doesn't work well on my machines, voidlinux is pretty good (with 'runit' as init).


Slackware is great and has not changed much since the 90's. Commands, structure, layout etc.. are all the same. The package manager is very easy to understand and all dependencies are handled for official Slackware repo. If you use Slackbuilds.org, then also install "sbopkg" which allows you to automate the build process for non slackware programs. There is also slackpkg+ which allows you to add third party repos like AlienBob's (slack dev.) repo, or Robbie W. (slack dev.) repo etc... There is even a pretty good repo out of Italy "slacky.eu" that is pre-setup if you install slackpkg+.

Hope that helps. eudev is great, Slack likes to keep the BSD style init, but you can easily add SysV and/or OpenRC if you want.

Any programs that are missing from slackbuilds.org, and other repos already mentioned can easily be taken from any .deb, .rpm or source and easily converted to slackware package. Feel free to send a PM if you want any tips, been using Slackware for a long time. Fav. distros are Debian and Slackware, in no particular order. :)
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2015-12-14 21:54

I love Slackware.

No dependency hell in that distribution :)
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby keithpeter » 2015-12-14 22:49

Lecram wrote:Just read the slackware changelogs they moved to eudev which means they have rejected systemd.

Source:
http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386
http://www.blog.paranoidpenguin.net/201 ... -to-eudev/


I'd rather say something along the lines of 'the Slackware project is making a pragmatic choice to minimise the changes needed to its familiar structure by making use of upstream projects such as consolekit2 and eudev to enable the delivery of a rich desktop with recent versions of major applications'. Not snappy I admit.

The Slackware core team is pretty low drama and pragmatic. I'm not sure this is any kind of 'stand' as such.

PS: Posting this off Slackware/MLED with xfce4 as the DE. I alternate between Slack/Debian Sid and OpenBSD on the testing box. The netbook has Jessie on (runs rather well as it happens).
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby Lecram » 2015-12-15 04:41

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:I love Slackware.

No dependency hell in that distribution :)


True but there is the "compilation nightmare" in slackware

keithpeter wrote:The Slackware core team is pretty low drama and pragmatic


wish the debian core team was also low drama but a person can only dream.
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby HuangLao » 2015-12-15 04:49

Lecram,

Its (Slackware) not so bad once you get used to it. I am hoping that Slackware and Gentoo can lend inspiration to Debian in case the systemd gamble doesn't turn out too well.

If nothing else, having viable alternatives will put pressure on systemd....which is a good think I think. ;)
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby Lecram » 2015-12-15 07:12

HuangLao wrote:Its (Slackware) not so bad once you get used to it. I am hoping that Slackware and Gentoo can lend inspiration to Debian in case the systemd gamble doesn't turn out too well.


For an average user the time it needs to setup after installation to the user's own taste can be sometimes time consuming especially for newbie on the other hand it is as stable as debian. I tried slackware it worked pretty well. As you mentioned slackware can be an example which that systemd isn't the only option that can run the init system better

HuangLao wrote:If nothing else, having viable alternatives will put pressure on systemd....which is a good think I think. ;)


Competition always brings out the best otherwise there will be only monopoly. Considering init, we already had the runit init system packaged in debian repo
why did we have to conform just because every other distro is choosing systemd
https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/
from the above link i get runit wasn't even considered for an init system. Can someone explain it to me why runit wasn't considered by the debian technical committee?
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby dust hill resident » 2015-12-15 14:40

I'm not resisting systemd, it seems to work well on the computers I've got it on and I don't have a problem with systemd in itself.

But it does concern me a lot how systemd seems to have been forced on the linux community and how it seems to be very hard to avoid. So I'm glad to see this, it means that alternatives will be maintained and supported, and may become more easily accessible.
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby edbarx » 2015-12-15 18:46

dust hill resident wrote:it means that alternatives will be maintained and supported, and may become more easily accessible

They are accessible. The difference, is one needs more determination. I have been using 64 bit Devuan since Summer.
Debian == { > 30, 000 packages }; Debian != systemd
The worst infection of all, is a false sense of security!
It is hard to get away from CLI tools.
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby HuangLao » 2015-12-15 20:56

heck even Ubuntu has systemd as default init (15.10), then Upstart runs everything else so by default it limits systemd. Users have the option to control services with Upstart or systemd. Who would have thought that Ubuntu would be the bastion of choice.
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby HuangLao » 2015-12-15 21:06

Lecram wrote:
For an average user the time it needs to setup after installation to the user's own taste can be sometimes time consuming especially for newbie on the other hand it is as stable as debian. I tried slackware it worked pretty well. As you mentioned slackware can be an example which that systemd isn't the only option that can run the init system better


There is also SalixOS (http://salixos.org/) which is "Slackware made easy" or "Slackware optimized for desktop". They provide dependencies using slapt-get which is based on apt-get so its easy for anyone familiar with apt-get. :)
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby spacex » 2015-12-15 23:13

HuangLao wrote:
Lecram wrote:
For an average user the time it needs to setup after installation to the user's own taste can be sometimes time consuming especially for newbie on the other hand it is as stable as debian. I tried slackware it worked pretty well. As you mentioned slackware can be an example which that systemd isn't the only option that can run the init system better


There is also SalixOS (http://salixos.org/) which is "Slackware made easy" or "Slackware optimized for desktop". They provide dependencies using slapt-get which is based on apt-get so its easy for anyone familiar with apt-get. :)


Yes, Salix is awesome.
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Re: Slackware rejects SystemD

Postby rokytnji » 2015-12-16 02:06

I'm mostly a Slackel Fluxbox and AntiX user myself.

Sourcery in Salix and Slackel is a wonderous thing.
So is AntiX.

http://antix.freeforums.org/dist-upgrad ... t5719.html
http://antix.freeforums.org/antix-15-1- ... t6066.html
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