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How low can you go

Postby oswaldkelso » 2016-07-25 10:29

This is just for fun!

Following derailing this thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=59034&start=975 and in the past the other " what does you desktop look like" thread with this topic. I though I'd better start a new one. Actually that was MeanDeans fault :mrgreen:

The criteria I used was.

A window manager and file manager a panel and a terminal. For me at least, the lowest capable with gtk2, gtk3, QT3, QT4 etc would be interesting.


http://oswaldkelso.blogspot.co.uk/2015/ ... mb-de.html

25MB to beat
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Re: How low can you go

Postby Nili » 2016-07-25 13:21

My Current Debian (netinst/stable) stats:

-Packages installed- 516
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dpkg -l|grep ^ii|wc -l


-boot startup- /systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 2.723s (kernel) + 6.601s (userspace) = 9.324s

-tty1- /xserver
25MB

-startx- /exec spectrwm (Window Manager) launched
31MB

-Idle-
33MB

-URxvt-
38MB

-File Manager-
55MB

-Browser-
88MB

-Busy- up to 150/300MB Mem usage, depending on the apps and services.
I refuse to watch 400+MB in use :)

I only use CLI (75%) and GTK2 (25%) apps.
Mainly those who are on my signature. Also i use my all time fav txt editor nano.
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Re: How low can you go

Postby day » 2016-07-25 15:18

Fujitsu Lifebook B110
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Re: How low can you go

Postby Nili » 2016-07-25 16:39

^day, this is not a "show desktop thread" we've already two thread for this.
Please post some outputs... What have you done tweaking your system, how much RAM/CPU it use clean or busy.

You seems to have customized very good your OS but without outputs, We look no particulars details.

How about using ps_mem? or top command line
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top -b -n1 > top.txt

then bring the output here using code tag
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[code]text output[/code]

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Re: How low can you go

Postby day » 2016-07-25 17:34

Nili wrote:^day, this is not a "show desktop thread" we've already two thread for this.
Please post some outputs... What have you done tweaking your system, how much RAM/CPU it use clean or busy.


That image shows the memory usage reported by ps_mem: 24.7M (xmms+vnc+hexchat)
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So, i followed the rules, and here you are the terminal + file manager + panel in 8.5 MiB.

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Re: How low can you go

Postby Nili » 2016-07-25 18:49

WOW just WOW :shock:

Actually i thought after saw 24MB above but i believed it was impossible with so many apps open.
Thanks for posting the dirty tweaks... Oh yes i'm going to check your how to... Many thanks for posting.

Personally have not ever come down below the 25MB with systemd. So i can't beat it (surrender /on)
I not deny, this is my first time i saw so less ram usage and so many apps running...

By now you've put a standard :)
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Re: How low can you go

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2016-07-26 19:46

@day: that system appears to be based on Debian woody which lost support 10 years ago :shock:

Can you reproduce your desktop with a supported version of Debian and re-post the results please?

I would also request separate 32-bit and 64-bit categories.

My amd64 entry is viewtopic.php?p=620815#p620815 but I'm cooking up a lighter sid version...
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Re: How low can you go

Postby oswaldkelso » 2016-07-26 22:55

iirc there was no pulse audio in woody :P

Albe it the translation was a bit dodgy

Edit: 32 bit, 64 bit, systemd, non systemd, gtk2, gtk3, tk3, qt4,qt5 fltk etc etc

The whole point of the thread is to understand how memory use affects computer performance and what are the benefits and losses associated with those choices.
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Postby day » 2016-07-27 05:13

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:@day: that system appears to be based on Debian woody which lost support 10 years ago :shock:

Can you reproduce your desktop with a supported version of Debian and re-post the results please?

I've already linked my howto what exactly tell you it is a Jessie. I've upgraded from woody last year.

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Yes, Devuan Jessie, which is the same but without systemd.
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--(2016 Jul 27. 6:50:#)-- dpkg -l|grep -e openssh-clie -e icewm -e xorg-core -e libc6             
ii  icewm                          1.3.8+githubmod+20150914+fa3fdef-2~bpo8+1+mmxO3 i386         wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager
ii  icewm-common                   1.3.8+githubmod+20150914+fa3fdef-2~bpo8+1+mmxO3 i386         wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager
ii  icewm-lite                     1.3.8+githubmod+20150914+fa3fdef-2~bpo8+1+mmxO3 i386         wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager
ii  icewm-themes                   1.2.26-1                                        all          Theme files for the Ice Window Manager
ii  libc6:i386                     2.19-19mmx1                                     i386         GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libc6-dev:i386                 2.19-19mmx1                                     i386         GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files
rc  libc6-i686:i386                2.19-18                                         i386         GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized]
ii  libcompfaceg1                  1:1.5.2-5                                       i386         Compress/decompress images for mailheaders, libc6 runtime
ii  openssh-client                 1:6.7p1-6mmx1                                   i386         secure shell (SSH) client, for secure access to remote machines
ii  xserver-xorg-core              2:1.16.4-1+mmxOs                                i386         Xorg X server - core server


gtk2, no systemd

init --> runit (dietlibc)
udev --> eudev
getty --> fgetty (dietlibc)
syslog --> socklog (dietlibc)
dhcpc --> udhcpc (busybox)
cron --> dcron (dietlibc)
inetd --> micro-inetd (dietlibc) for sshd
shell --> mksh-static (dietlibc) also for initscripts
X --> Xorg 1.16.4
desktop --> icewm
terminal --> rxvt-unicode-lite (daemon mode)
filemanager --> xfm (just for the screenshot, i'm using mc)

ntp --> 1 * * * * timeout 10 rdate -s wwv.nist.gov ( ;-> )
kernel --> vanilla 4.7 with uksm patch, optimized for size
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Re: How low can you go

Postby oswaldkelso » 2016-07-27 11:11

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Brilliant and thanks for the how to and links.

I see icewm has jumped up from 1.1 to 2MB so much as it pains me to say it, I think you get get that down even more . If only we could get a modern browser down in size.
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Re: How low can you go

Postby arochester » 2016-07-27 12:12

Why IceWM when there are lighter Windows Managers?
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Re: How low can you go

Postby oswaldkelso » 2016-07-27 12:27

I think it's called more bang for your buck! Forgive the translation form days link

Icewm modest by comparison only with 2megát and alone by the window manager and the panel as well. You may even find a small userunfriendly window managers (eg. Suckless DWM), but I pulled a convenience minimum. Icewm can handle virtualdesktopot, hotkeys can be set (eg screenshots, multimedia keys.), Theme-ezhető (circa hundred here, if you want to choose from: http://box-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode= 7311 - made to date) window film can be grouped according to (always on top), menu, hours, system monitor on the panel. Even Systray to be treated, if that's what you need (icewm-tray, 800KB +) or background may be (icewm-bg, + 800K).
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Re: How low can you go

Postby Nili » 2016-07-27 14:02

This page It is still valid to be taken as reference about Window Manager comparison.
It's not completed but foremost WM are there.
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Re: How low can you go

Postby arochester » 2016-07-27 14:06

You may even find a small userunfriendly window managers (eg. Suckless DWM), but I pulled a convenience minimum.
Maybe a little harsh. I have always liked JWM. Only a little bit smaller, but smaller.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compariso ... w_managers
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Re: How low can you go

Postby JLloyd13 » 2016-07-27 20:36

arochester wrote:
You may even find a small userunfriendly window managers (eg. Suckless DWM), but I pulled a convenience minimum.
Maybe a little harsh. I have always liked JWM. Only a little bit smaller, but smaller.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compariso ... w_managers


user unfriendly... maybe DWM is unfriendly to those who aren't willing to learn a few basic keybindings before starting, but it's really not any more difficult than most tiling WMs.
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