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How low can you go
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How low can you go
This is just for fun!
Following derailing this thread http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... &start=975 and in the past the other " what does you desktop look like" thread with this topic. I though I'd better start a new one. Actually that was MeanDeans fault
The criteria I used was.
A window manager and file manager a panel and a terminal. For me at least, the lowest capable with gtk2, gtk3, QT3, QT4 etc would be interesting.
http://oswaldkelso.blogspot.co.uk/2015/ ... mb-de.html
25MB to beat
Following derailing this thread http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... &start=975 and in the past the other " what does you desktop look like" thread with this topic. I though I'd better start a new one. Actually that was MeanDeans fault
The criteria I used was.
A window manager and file manager a panel and a terminal. For me at least, the lowest capable with gtk2, gtk3, QT3, QT4 etc would be interesting.
http://oswaldkelso.blogspot.co.uk/2015/ ... mb-de.html
25MB to beat
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Re: How low can you go
My Current Debian (netinst/stable) stats:
-Packages installed- 516
-boot startup- /systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 2.723s (kernel) + 6.601s (userspace) = 9.324s
-tty1- /xserver
25MB
-startx- /exec spectrwm (Window Manager) launched
31MB
-Idle-
33MB
-URxvt-
38MB
-File Manager-
55MB
-Browser-
88MB
-Busy- up to 150/300MB Mem usage, depending on the apps and services.
I refuse to watch 400+MB in use
I only use CLI (75%) and GTK2 (25%) apps.
Mainly those who are on my signature. Also i use my all time fav txt editor nano.
-Packages installed- 516
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dpkg -l|grep ^ii|wc -l
Startup finished in 2.723s (kernel) + 6.601s (userspace) = 9.324s
-tty1- /xserver
25MB
-startx- /exec spectrwm (Window Manager) launched
31MB
-Idle-
33MB
-URxvt-
38MB
-File Manager-
55MB
-Browser-
88MB
-Busy- up to 150/300MB Mem usage, depending on the apps and services.
I refuse to watch 400+MB in use
I only use CLI (75%) and GTK2 (25%) apps.
Mainly those who are on my signature. Also i use my all time fav txt editor nano.
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Re: How low can you go
^day, this is not a "show desktop thread" we've already two thread for this.
Please post some outputs... What have you done tweaking your system, how much RAM/CPU it use clean or busy.
You seems to have customized very good your OS but without outputs, We look no particulars details.
How about using ps_mem? or top command line
then bring the output here using code tag
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Nili
Please post some outputs... What have you done tweaking your system, how much RAM/CPU it use clean or busy.
You seems to have customized very good your OS but without outputs, We look no particulars details.
How about using ps_mem? or top command line
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[code]text output
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Re: How low can you go
That image shows the memory usage reported by ps_mem: 24.7M (xmms+vnc+hexchat)Nili wrote:^day, this is not a "show desktop thread" we've already two thread for this.
Please post some outputs... What have you done tweaking your system, how much RAM/CPU it use clean or busy.
I made a very detailed hungarian howto a year ago: http://flerp.hu/debian/fujitsu/fujitsu.html (use online translate! :-> )
So, i followed the rules, and here you are the terminal + file manager + panel in 8.5 MiB.
Beat it! ;->
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Re: How low can you go
WOW just WOW
Actually i thought after saw 24MB above but i believed it was impossible with so many apps open.
Thanks for posting the dirty tweaks... Oh yes i'm going to check your how to... Many thanks for posting.
Personally have not ever come down below the 25MB with systemd. So i can't beat it (surrender /on)
I not deny, this is my first time i saw so less ram usage and so many apps running...
By now you've put a standard
Actually i thought after saw 24MB above but i believed it was impossible with so many apps open.
Thanks for posting the dirty tweaks... Oh yes i'm going to check your how to... Many thanks for posting.
Personally have not ever come down below the 25MB with systemd. So i can't beat it (surrender /on)
I not deny, this is my first time i saw so less ram usage and so many apps running...
By now you've put a standard
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Re: How low can you go
@day: that system appears to be based on Debian woody which lost support 10 years ago
Can you reproduce your desktop with a supported version of Debian and re-post the results please?
I would also request separate 32-bit and 64-bit categories.
My amd64 entry is http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=620815#p620815 but I'm cooking up a lighter sid version...
Can you reproduce your desktop with a supported version of Debian and re-post the results please?
I would also request separate 32-bit and 64-bit categories.
My amd64 entry is http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=620815#p620815 but I'm cooking up a lighter sid version...
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Re: How low can you go
iirc there was no pulse audio in woody
Albe it the translation was a bit dodgy
Edit: 32 bit, 64 bit, systemd, non systemd, gtk2, gtk3, tk3, qt4,qt5 fltk etc etc
The whole point of the thread is to understand how memory use affects computer performance and what are the benefits and losses associated with those choices.
Albe it the translation was a bit dodgy
Edit: 32 bit, 64 bit, systemd, non systemd, gtk2, gtk3, tk3, qt4,qt5 fltk etc etc
The whole point of the thread is to understand how memory use affects computer performance and what are the benefits and losses associated with those choices.
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Ash init durbatulûk, ash init gimbatul,
Ash init thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
My oldest used PC: 1999 imac 333Mhz 256MB PPC abandoned by Debian
Ash init durbatulûk, ash init gimbatul,
Ash init thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
My oldest used PC: 1999 imac 333Mhz 256MB PPC abandoned by Debian
I've already linked my howto what exactly tell you it is a Jessie. I've upgraded from woody last year.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:@day: that system appears to be based on Debian woody which lost support 10 years ago
Can you reproduce your desktop with a supported version of Debian and re-post the results please?
Yes, Devuan Jessie, which is the same but without systemd.
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--(2016 Jul 27. 6:50:#)-- dpkg -l|grep -e openssh-clie -e icewm -e xorg-core -e libc6
ii icewm 1.3.8+githubmod+20150914+fa3fdef-2~bpo8+1+mmxO3 i386 wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager
ii icewm-common 1.3.8+githubmod+20150914+fa3fdef-2~bpo8+1+mmxO3 i386 wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager
ii icewm-lite 1.3.8+githubmod+20150914+fa3fdef-2~bpo8+1+mmxO3 i386 wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager
ii icewm-themes 1.2.26-1 all Theme files for the Ice Window Manager
ii libc6:i386 2.19-19mmx1 i386 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii libc6-dev:i386 2.19-19mmx1 i386 GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files
rc libc6-i686:i386 2.19-18 i386 GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized]
ii libcompfaceg1 1:1.5.2-5 i386 Compress/decompress images for mailheaders, libc6 runtime
ii openssh-client 1:6.7p1-6mmx1 i386 secure shell (SSH) client, for secure access to remote machines
ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.16.4-1+mmxOs i386 Xorg X server - core server
init --> runit (dietlibc)
udev --> eudev
getty --> fgetty (dietlibc)
syslog --> socklog (dietlibc)
dhcpc --> udhcpc (busybox)
cron --> dcron (dietlibc)
inetd --> micro-inetd (dietlibc) for sshd
shell --> mksh-static (dietlibc) also for initscripts
X --> Xorg 1.16.4
desktop --> icewm
terminal --> rxvt-unicode-lite (daemon mode)
filemanager --> xfm (just for the screenshot, i'm using mc)
ntp --> 1 * * * * timeout 10 rdate -s wwv.nist.gov ( ;-> )
kernel --> vanilla 4.7 with uksm patch, optimized for size
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Re: How low can you go
day
Brilliant and thanks for the how to and links.
I see icewm has jumped up from 1.1 to 2MB so much as it pains me to say it, I think you get get that down even more . If only we could get a modern browser down in size.
Brilliant and thanks for the how to and links.
I see icewm has jumped up from 1.1 to 2MB so much as it pains me to say it, I think you get get that down even more . If only we could get a modern browser down in size.
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Re: How low can you go
I think it's called more bang for your buck! Forgive the translation form days link
Icewm modest by comparison only with 2megát and alone by the window manager and the panel as well. You may even find a small userunfriendly window managers (eg. Suckless DWM), but I pulled a convenience minimum. Icewm can handle virtualdesktopot, hotkeys can be set (eg screenshots, multimedia keys.), Theme-ezhető (circa hundred here, if you want to choose from: http://box-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode= 7311 - made to date) window film can be grouped according to (always on top), menu, hours, system monitor on the panel. Even Systray to be treated, if that's what you need (icewm-tray, 800KB +) or background may be (icewm-bg, + 800K).
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Re: How low can you go
This page It is still valid to be taken as reference about Window Manager comparison.
It's not completed but foremost WM are there.
It's not completed but foremost WM are there.
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Re: How low can you go
Maybe a little harsh. I have always liked JWM. Only a little bit smaller, but smaller.You may even find a small userunfriendly window managers (eg. Suckless DWM), but I pulled a convenience minimum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compariso ... w_managers
Re: How low can you go
user unfriendly... maybe DWM is unfriendly to those who aren't willing to learn a few basic keybindings before starting, but it's really not any more difficult than most tiling WMs.arochester wrote:Maybe a little harsh. I have always liked JWM. Only a little bit smaller, but smaller.You may even find a small userunfriendly window managers (eg. Suckless DWM), but I pulled a convenience minimum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compariso ... w_managers
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