OT thread to continue the OT Devuan thread that had gone OT

[millpond]

Having a devil of a time with devuan udev and upowerd. It cannot seem to find org.freedesktop.

I have polkit wide open for now, (oe so I think(.

SOMETHING seems to be working, as the POWER button finally shuts off the machine, at least in Mate.

[golinux]

Having a devil of a time with devuan udev and upowerd. It cannot seem to find org.freedesktop.

I don't have any upowerd installed or in the devuan repos. Maybe a barnacle/tentacle from debian systemd? I do have upower from the devuan repos which has been cleansed of barnacles/tentacles.

[pcalvert]

I don't have any upowerd installed or in the devuan repos. Maybe a barnacle/tentacle from debian systemd? I do have upower from the devuan repos which has been cleansed of barnacles/tentacles.

For what it's worth, I have only libupower-glib3 installed.

Phil

[golinux]

I don't have any upowerd installed or in the devuan repos. Maybe a barnacle/tentacle from debian systemd? I do have upower from the devuan repos which has been cleansed of barnacles/tentacles.

For what it's worth, I have only libupower-glib3 installed.

Phil

Me too. libupower-glib3 0.99.1-3.2 and also libupower-glib1 1:0.9.23-2+devuan1.2. That's confusing . . . but then everything's working.

[millpond]

Having a devil of a time with devuan udev and upowerd. It cannot seem to find org.freedesktop.

I don't have any upowerd installed or in the devuan repos. Maybe a barnacle/tentacle from debian systemd? I do have upower from the devuan repos which has been cleansed of barnacles/tentacles.

OK....
sources.list:

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deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main 
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main 
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main 

\var\cache\apt\archives
contains

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03/14/2016  12:01 AM           879,636 udev_215-17+deb8u4_i386.deb
03/14/2016  12:01 AM            59,056 libudev1_215-17+deb8u4_i386.deb
03/14/2016  12:01 AM            23,118 libudev-dev_215-17+deb8u4_i386.deb

A sampling of other files in that dir (which was empty before the update):

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05/27/2016  10:06 AM         1,850,434 postgresql-doc-9.4_9.4.8-0+deb8u1_all.deb
08/20/2015  04:57 AM           186,194 syslinux-efi_3%3a6.03+dfsg-5+deb8u1_all.deb
01/11/2016  09:45 AM           859,586 sudo_1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3_i386.deb
06/08/2016  12:15 PM         1,036,468 p7zip-full_9.20.1~dfsg.1-4.1+deb8u2_i386.deb
05/25/2015  09:41 AM           118,648 libsmartcols1_2.26.2-6+devuan1_i386.deb
05/29/2015  04:07 AM           101,148 sysvinit_2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2_i386.deb
07/15/2016  06:34 AM           122,022 libpurple-bin_2.11.0-0+deb8u1_all.deb
03/27/2016  06:59 AM            73,716 postgresql-client-common_165+deb8u1_all.deb

*sysvinit *should be 59.3....

Something very odd here.

Here upowerd in /usr/lib/upowwer/upowerd
as well as /lib/systemd/systemd-upowerd

[golinux]

Having a devil of a time with devuan udev and upowerd. It cannot seem to find org.freedesktop.

I don't have any upowerd installed or in the devuan repos. Maybe a barnacle/tentacle from debian systemd? I do have upower from the devuan repos which has been cleansed of barnacles/tentacles.

OK....
sources.list:

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deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main 
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main 
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main 

That's correct.

\var\cache\apt\archives
contains

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03/14/2016  12:01 AM           879,636 udev_215-17+deb8u4_i386.deb
03/14/2016  12:01 AM            59,056 libudev1_215-17+deb8u4_i386.deb
03/14/2016  12:01 AM            23,118 libudev-dev_215-17+deb8u4_i386.deb

I don't have libudev-dev_215-17+deb8u4_i386.deb installed. No biggie.

A sampling of other files in that dir (which was empty before the update):

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05/27/2016  10:06 AM         1,850,434 postgresql-doc-9.4_9.4.8-0+deb8u1_all.deb
08/20/2015  04:57 AM           186,194 syslinux-efi_3%3a6.03+dfsg-5+deb8u1_all.deb
01/11/2016  09:45 AM           859,586 sudo_1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3_i386.deb
06/08/2016  12:15 PM         1,036,468 p7zip-full_9.20.1~dfsg.1-4.1+deb8u2_i386.deb
05/25/2015  09:41 AM           118,648 libsmartcols1_2.26.2-6+devuan1_i386.deb
05/29/2015  04:07 AM           101,148 sysvinit_2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2_i386.deb
07/15/2016  06:34 AM           122,022 libpurple-bin_2.11.0-0+deb8u1_all.deb
03/27/2016  06:59 AM            73,716 postgresql-client-common_165+deb8u1_all.deb

*sysvinit *should be 59.3....

Something very odd here.

Just checked and I do not have sysvinit installed! Instead there is sysvinit-core 2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2 and sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-59.2+devuan2. Go figure.

Here upowerd in /usr/lib/upower/upowerd
as well as /lib/systemd/systemd-upowerd

I have the first one but not the second.

[fsmithred]

Millpond,

With 15000 packages installed, I'd say you're an edge case. That's 10x what I have running xfce. You should really be talking to devuan devs. If you go to #devuan on freenode, and it looks dead, ask a question anyway, and stay logged in (or check the botbot logs later.)

You may get an answer after a few minutes or a few hours. Think of it as going to the water cooler - you might run into someone to talk to, or you might leave them a post-it note. When you come back, they might have written an answer on your note.

-fsr

[millpond]

Millpond,

With 15000 packages installed, I'd say you're an edge case. That's 10x what I have running xfce. You should really be talking to devuan devs. If you go to #devuan on freenode, and it looks dead, ask a question anyway, and stay logged in (or check the botbot logs later.)

You may get an answer after a few minutes or a few hours. Think of it as going to the water cooler - you might run into someone to talk to, or you might leave them a post-it note. When you come back, they might have written an answer on your note.

-fsr

This is probably the best advice.

This system is perhaps the ultimate challenge. Intact since Squeeze - surviving through many dist-upgrades.

[millpond]

Millpond,

With 15000 packages installed, I'd say you're an edge case. That's 10x what I have running xfce. You should really be talking to devuan devs. If you go to #devuan on freenode, and it looks dead, ask a question anyway, and stay logged in (or check the botbot logs later.)

You may get an answer after a few minutes or a few hours. Think of it as going to the water cooler - you might run into someone to talk to, or you might leave them a post-it note. When you come back, they might have written an answer on your note.

-fsr

This is probably the best advice.

This system is perhaps the ultimate challenge. Intact since Squeeze - surviving through many dist-upgrades.

Query posted on #Devuan where there is no one home - nary a bot. adams.freenode.net OK?

Now assuming I can get this issue fixed - as no point in a Devuan fork/distro if Devuan cannot install properly - what particular benefits do the other distros offer for those with older hardware and a development Jessie install?

[golinux]

millpond . . . I'm not seeing anything from you in the botbot logs. What time did you post and what nick should we be searching for?

*edit* I see you've popped in to #devuan!

[fsmithred]

I can't find you in the logs. I searched for millpond, udev, upower, polkit and upgrade, all separately, and I don't see your question. You sure you were in the right place? What's the adams part in adams.freenode.net? I just open hexchat (or xhcat is the same) and connect to freenode, then enter the following after I'm connected

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/join #devuan

AFAIK, all the devuan derivatives listed use the devuan repositories, so the only advantages would be the default package selections in the installation. The only way to upgrade is with the devuan repos.

[JLloyd13]

Hi guys this topic is supercool, I am one of those systemd haters anyway we must use it untill debian decides to change for something else (sheppard init?).

Actually no, even if you don't want to use Devuan is it entirely possible to use Jessie without systemd with a little work.

[golinux]

Actually no, even if you don't want to use Devuan is it entirely possible to use Jessie without systemd with a little work.

That would of course depend on your definition of 'without systemd'. Try removing libsystemd0 and see what happens.

[JLloyd13]

Actually no, even if you don't want to use Devuan is it entirely possible to use Jessie without systemd with a little work.

That would of course depend on your definition of 'without systemd'. Try removing libsystemd0 and see what happens.

well you don't have to use systemd, although it is installed. I did mention Devuan, whose further development I totally support even if I'm currently using Debian + systemd

[golinux]

Actually no, even if you don't want to use Devuan is it entirely possible to use Jessie without systemd with a little work.

That would of course depend on your definition of 'without systemd'. Try removing libsystemd0 and see what happens.

well you don't have to use systemd, although it is installed. I did mention Devuan, whose further development I totally support even if I'm currently using Debian + systemd

If you use Debian, systemd components are installed whether you want them or not although it may or may not be PiD1. There is no way to completely remove those. If there were, there would have been no need for Devuan. Happy to hear you appreciate what Devuan is doing. And apologies to hoas for going a bit astray.

[JLloyd13]

Happy to hear you appreciate what Devuan is doing. And apologies to hoas for going a bit astray.

I definitely appreciate what Devuan is doing. I'm fine with my computer as it is right now (default Debian Jessie and systemd) but systemd's developers and specifically their attitude towards the rest of the community and the portability issues when projects like Gnome becomes entwined with systemd definitely make me happy that people are there working to limit systemd reliance and keep our options open.

[golinux]

Happy to hear you appreciate what Devuan is doing. And apologies to hoas for going a bit astray.

I definitely appreciate what Devuan is doing. I'm fine with my computer as it is right now (default Debian Jessie and systemd) but systemd's developers and specifically their attitude towards the rest of the community and the portability issues when projects like Gnome becomes entwined with systemd definitely make me happy that people are there working to limit systemd reliance and keep our options open.

Speaking of gnome which is a major part of the problem . . .

This from 2012 explains a lot. Not about systemd but how gnome devs think. It was a real eye-opener for me and confirmed what I had suspected for some time. Does not bode well for the future of Debian if they continue to be joined at the hip with gnome . . .

[JLloyd13]

Happy to hear you appreciate what Devuan is doing. And apologies to hoas for going a bit astray.

I definitely appreciate what Devuan is doing. I'm fine with my computer as it is right now (default Debian Jessie and systemd) but systemd's developers and specifically their attitude towards the rest of the community and the portability issues when projects like Gnome becomes entwined with systemd definitely make me happy that people are there working to limit systemd reliance and keep our options open.

Speaking of gnome which is a major part of the problem . . .

This from 2012 explains a lot. Not about systemd but how gnome devs think. It was a real eye-opener for me and confirmed what I had suspected for some time. Does not bode well for the future of Debian if they continue to be joined at the hip with gnome . . .

I agree gnome is a major part of the portability problem.. and yet the gnome-shell is by far my favorite desktop. Sometimes you can't win. But I suspect there's no way they can actually do away with extensions, I would have to guess a vast majority of their user rely on them.