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Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby bester69 » 2016-12-03 21:29

I was using chromium v35 as a regular internet browser, as new versions require too much RAM and CPU for a olddie laptop as mine (2008's), It has been a huge surprise how well last stable Opera Browser v41, has been working in my laptop. It seems to consume less memory and goes pretty smooth, i tried to open upto 25 tabs web pages without much problems; i also liked the slim UI, which is like a mix among Chrome and firefox , something between both of them.

Pros.:
And the most remarkable feature i could check about Opera Browser, was how stable it was feeling, up todate, it hasnt crash yet, and we're talking about debian testing and opera.

Cons.:
The always and old same problem with rendering fonts, -.> I dont know what they do different to others tha mess that thing up.

Righ now, i'd stronglly recommend to use Opera browser as your default Internet Broser if you'r lacking RAM or/and CPU. :roll: To me, it has been a big surprise, i thought Opera browser was death since years for desktops computers, but its been back to live, cheers Opera Browser!! :)
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2016-12-04 12:10

bester69 wrote:Cons.:

Debian wiki wrote:Warning: Opera is a non-free (proprietary) software. It isn't supported by Debian. It's probably wiser to use a supported web browser!

https://wiki.debian.org/Opera

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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby Hallvor » 2016-12-04 13:16

Used to be Norwegian. Chinese owners now. Non-free. Wouldn't use it.
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby kedaha » 2016-12-04 13:31

Hallvor wrote:Used to be Norwegian. Chinese owners now. Non-free. Wouldn't use it.

Hmm..I suppose only the binaries are available but not the source code so who knows what it does under the GUI surface.
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby Nili » 2016-12-04 14:03

bester69, please post some RAM/CPU regarding browser usge to watch the light you talking about.
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby bester69 » 2016-12-05 19:39

Nili wrote:bester69, please post some RAM/CPU regarding browser usge to watch the light you talking about.


Ligher than firefox and chrome/ium, you can try it , it cost money to install it and compare with your others browsers,


Im really glad with opera, and im using it right now as my default browser, but you can do whatever you want, i just told you how good right now is back again Opera browser, a least in my old 2008's laptop.
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby phenest » 2016-12-05 21:26

bester69 wrote:
Nili wrote:bester69, please post some RAM/CPU regarding browser usge to watch the light you talking about.


Ligher than firefox and chrome/ium, you can try it , it cost money to install it and compare with your others browsers,


Im really glad with opera, and im using it right now as my default browser, but you can do whatever you want, i just told you how good right now is back again Opera browser, a least in my old 2008's laptop.

You sound like you're in a TV ad. Are they paying you to say this?
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby bester69 » 2016-12-05 22:04

phenest wrote:
bester69 wrote:
Nili wrote:bester69, please post some RAM/CPU regarding browser usge to watch the light you talking about.


Ligher than firefox and chrome/ium, you can try it , it cost money to install it and compare with your others browsers,


Im really glad with opera, and im using it right now as my default browser, but you can do whatever you want, i just told you how good right now is back again Opera browser, a least in my old 2008's laptop.

You sound like you're in a TV ad. Are they paying you to say this?

They're paying me, but dont tell anyone, please..
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby RoyFokker » 2016-12-05 22:18

If closed software like Opera makes your computer more useable more power to you. Modern browsers are monsters with millions of lines of code, not even the programmers paid to work on them know what most the code is or how it functions, they specialize on a niche in a small section of the vast codebase. In the past especially before switching to Google's engine using Opera allowed me to get away with using obsolete hardware and not having to care.

I think linux has jumped the shark the last time I used Windows heavily. Due to my ongoing woes with Xorg documented here:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=130587&start=15#p630529

I have been using Windows 10 lately and in terms of releasing and managing ram, using advanced power management, being able to enjoy accelerated video in Chromium browsers, there is no comparison. Using linux today is literally like downgrading your computer in general, but free software zealots don't care that their hardware is barely being supported, that their battery life is wasted needlessly, etc. So here I am using a Windows 10 machine with a core i3 and 4 gig ram and it actually performs better for daily browsing than my linux machine with a core i5 of a later generation and 12 gigs of ram(I upgraded from 4 and it still does not run as well as a Windows box).

I remember it used to be the opposite. Even in 2010 I was using a way outdated Pentinum M 1.4ghz or 1.6ghz system with 1 gig or 1.5 gig of ram using minimal Ratpoison window manager and Opera browser and Windows at the time could not compete. If I were to have used Windows then my outdated hardware would be hissing.
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby RU55EL » 2016-12-06 00:12

bester69 wrote:I was using chromium v35 as a regular internet browser, as new versions require too much RAM and CPU for a olddie laptop as mine (2008's),[...]


How much RAM do you have on your old laptop? What CPU, and at what frequency?
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby GarryRicketson » 2016-12-06 00:34

Poorly configured systems never run well, and use huge amounts
of ram , combined with overly bloated browsers,.....
But that is not the fault of the OS, when the system admin configures
the system poorly, a lot of the high ram usage is from unnecessary
baggage, like Adobe Flash, used in very poorly designed web sites.

At the moment with several tabs open, on firefox, and 3 VMs running
my Debian wheezy, is using a little over 1.2 g, or 55% of 2gb max ram, 0% swap ,... and I consider
that high, but with 3 VM s running, and on 1 of the VMs, the firefox browse
is running, and has a open tab,...I suppose that is why it is a little high, on
wheezy,....
Interesting, (to me) the OpenBsd, on a VM, and browser running, is only
using 500 gb ram,....but then it is not running 2 other VMs,......
I used Opera a little, several years ago, before it became
owned, and "closed source", it was ok, but I really prefer
other browsers,......
bester69 >>
They're paying me, but dont tell anyone, please..

OK I won't,.....and if they were paying me, I would use it as well,
but not for anything "private", like banking , or online purchases, etc.
And definitely not if I was involved in technological research, and
things like that. I am sure every thing you do is recorded and saved
in a data base somewhere,.....but that probably is the case with any
of the browsers these days.
For things that need security I use my carrier pigeons.
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby RU55EL » 2016-12-06 00:42

GarryRicketson wrote:[...] At the moment with several tabs open, on firefox, and 3 VMs running
my Debian wheezy, is using a little over 1.2 g, or 55% of 2gb max ram, 0% swap ,... and I consider
that high, but with 3 VM s running, and on 1 of the VMs, the firefox browse
is running, and has a open tab,...I suppose that is why it is a little high, on
wheezy,....[...]


1.1 Gib here. With Firefox using 323 MiB. 8GB of RAM on my system, memory seems underutilized.

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russel@u55a:~/home.files$ sudo ./memory.py
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 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used   Program

  8.0 KiB +  63.5 KiB =  71.5 KiB   rdnssd (2)
 64.0 KiB +  19.5 KiB =  83.5 KiB   minissdpd
 16.0 KiB +  86.5 KiB = 102.5 KiB   rpc.idmapd
 96.0 KiB +  33.5 KiB = 129.5 KiB   cat
148.0 KiB +  39.0 KiB = 187.0 KiB   agetty
140.0 KiB +  47.5 KiB = 187.5 KiB   atd
168.0 KiB +  25.0 KiB = 193.0 KiB   acpid
160.0 KiB +  35.0 KiB = 195.0 KiB   gnome-pty-helper
220.0 KiB +  18.0 KiB = 238.0 KiB   start-pulseaudi
180.0 KiB +  67.5 KiB = 247.5 KiB   systemd-timesyncd
232.0 KiB +  65.0 KiB = 297.0 KiB   cron
252.0 KiB +  61.5 KiB = 313.5 KiB   rtkit-daemon
248.0 KiB +  88.0 KiB = 336.0 KiB   rpc.statd
296.0 KiB +  78.0 KiB = 374.0 KiB   dbus-launch
372.0 KiB +  19.5 KiB = 391.5 KiB   ssh-agent
428.0 KiB +  71.5 KiB = 499.5 KiB   bluetoothd
424.0 KiB +  85.0 KiB = 509.0 KiB   rpcbind
344.0 KiB + 355.0 KiB = 699.0 KiB   avahi-daemon (2)
652.0 KiB +  60.0 KiB = 712.0 KiB   systemd-logind
656.0 KiB +  98.0 KiB = 754.0 KiB   dconf-service
612.0 KiB + 164.0 KiB = 776.0 KiB   at-spi-bus-launcher
732.0 KiB +  94.0 KiB = 826.0 KiB   dnsmasq
744.0 KiB + 161.0 KiB = 905.0 KiB   gconfd-2
724.0 KiB + 212.0 KiB = 936.0 KiB   at-spi2-registryd
796.0 KiB + 153.0 KiB = 949.0 KiB   gvfs-mtp-volume-monitor
772.0 KiB + 202.0 KiB = 974.0 KiB   gvfs-goa-volume-monitor
820.0 KiB + 173.0 KiB = 993.0 KiB   gvfsd-burn
884.0 KiB + 174.0 KiB =   1.0 MiB   gvfsd
948.0 KiB + 154.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB   tmux
968.0 KiB + 190.0 KiB =   1.1 MiB   ModemManager
992.0 KiB + 179.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB   gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor
  1.0 MiB + 160.0 KiB =   1.2 MiB   gvfsd-fuse
  1.1 MiB +  89.0 KiB =   1.2 MiB   exim4
  1.0 MiB + 220.5 KiB =   1.2 MiB   gvfsd-network
984.0 KiB + 305.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB   gvfsd-http
  1.2 MiB + 146.0 KiB =   1.3 MiB   accounts-daemon
  1.1 MiB + 234.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB   gvfs-afc-volume-monitor
  1.3 MiB +  71.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB   rsyslogd
  1.2 MiB + 240.5 KiB =   1.4 MiB   gdm3
  1.2 MiB + 233.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB   gvfsd-dnssd
  1.3 MiB + 307.0 KiB =   1.6 MiB   zeitgeist-daemon
  1.4 MiB + 227.0 KiB =   1.6 MiB   gvfsd-metadata
  1.4 MiB + 257.0 KiB =   1.7 MiB   upowerd
  1.6 MiB +  99.0 KiB =   1.7 MiB   systemd-udevd
  1.3 MiB + 401.0 KiB =   1.7 MiB   openvpn
  1.6 MiB + 249.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB   gvfsd-trash
  1.6 MiB + 344.0 KiB =   1.9 MiB   gnome-keyring-daemon
  1.6 MiB + 351.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB   (sd-pam)
  1.5 MiB + 432.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB   sshd
  1.8 MiB + 241.0 KiB =   2.0 MiB   sudo (2)
  1.6 MiB + 388.0 KiB =   2.0 MiB   gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
  1.5 MiB + 494.0 KiB =   2.0 MiB   gsd-printer
  2.0 MiB + 308.5 KiB =   2.3 MiB   udisksd
  1.9 MiB + 534.0 KiB =   2.4 MiB   x-session-manag
  2.1 MiB + 455.5 KiB =   2.5 MiB   packagekitd
  2.2 MiB + 427.0 KiB =   2.6 MiB   tracker-miner-user-guides
  1.9 MiB + 713.5 KiB =   2.6 MiB   mission-control-5
  2.7 MiB + 163.0 KiB =   2.8 MiB   polkitd
  2.4 MiB + 532.5 KiB =   3.0 MiB   wpa_supplicant
  2.4 MiB + 640.5 KiB =   3.0 MiB   zeitgeist-datahub
  2.6 MiB + 491.0 KiB =   3.1 MiB   tracker-miner-apps
  3.0 MiB + 550.5 KiB =   3.6 MiB   gnome-shell-calendar-server
  2.4 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   3.6 MiB   systemd (2)
  3.1 MiB + 565.0 KiB =   3.7 MiB   NetworkManager
  3.5 MiB + 585.5 KiB =   4.0 MiB   dbus-daemon (3)
  3.7 MiB + 403.0 KiB =   4.1 MiB   zeitgeist-fts
  3.3 MiB + 939.5 KiB =   4.2 MiB   evolution-source-registry
  3.9 MiB + 607.5 KiB =   4.5 MiB   pulseaudio
  4.4 MiB + 407.5 KiB =   4.8 MiB   colord
  3.9 MiB +   1.1 MiB =   5.0 MiB   gnome-control-center-search-provider
  4.9 MiB + 175.0 KiB =   5.0 MiB   bash (2)
  4.3 MiB + 916.0 KiB =   5.2 MiB   gdm-session-worker (3)
  4.9 MiB +   1.0 MiB =   5.9 MiB   goa-daemon
  6.5 MiB +  87.5 KiB =   6.6 MiB   xprop
  6.7 MiB +  41.5 KiB =   6.8 MiB   dhclient
  5.4 MiB +   1.8 MiB =   7.3 MiB   nm-applet
  8.6 MiB + 516.5 KiB =   9.1 MiB   gvfsd-smb-browse
  9.4 MiB +  91.0 KiB =   9.5 MiB   systemd-journald
  7.6 MiB +   2.0 MiB =   9.6 MiB   gnome-terminal-server
  8.5 MiB +   2.3 MiB =  10.8 MiB   gnome-settings-daemon
 10.6 MiB + 848.5 KiB =  11.4 MiB   tracker-miner-fs
  9.2 MiB +   2.5 MiB =  11.6 MiB   evolution-alarm-notify
 11.8 MiB +   1.2 MiB =  13.0 MiB   applet.py
 15.1 MiB +   1.7 MiB =  16.8 MiB   seahorse
 14.9 MiB +   2.8 MiB =  17.7 MiB   Xorg
 30.2 MiB +   4.1 MiB =  34.4 MiB   nautilus
 31.8 MiB +   2.8 MiB =  34.6 MiB   transmission-gtk
 37.8 MiB +   1.2 MiB =  39.0 MiB   evolution-calendar-factory
 56.1 MiB + 533.0 KiB =  56.6 MiB   tracker-store
 77.8 MiB +   3.6 MiB =  81.4 MiB   tracker-extract
315.1 MiB +   6.8 MiB = 322.0 MiB   gnome-shell
317.4 MiB +   5.6 MiB = 323.0 MiB   firefox-esr
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                          1.1 GiB
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby RoyFokker » 2016-12-06 02:16

GarryRicketson wrote:But that is not the fault of the OS, when the system admin configures
the system poorly,


The religion of free software is too strong in you. No matter what almost every modern laptop or desktop cannot take advantage of the bare metal of the hardware as well as Windows or Mac OS if you choose to use linux because linux is notorious for not supporting hardware to its full potential or often times it offers no support period and people wish for horrible support. During my recent stint using Windows 10 I was downloading faster from mega.co.nz from the same internet connection on an older and lower end Thinkpad than my own without installing the Chrome Mega browser extension I had installed on my linux box(which lead to a speed increase), I was transfering files to my network media tank over wifi faster, advanced power management simply worked and worked well. I could go on.

Graphics acceleration sucks under linux, graphic drivers suck and so many other things. No amount of configuration will change it. Nvidia on purpose chose closed source so they could bypass the crapfest that is X crapdows, because they have enterprise customers that want things working and who want performance. So they let the special free software people who are never happy hate them anyway, and just catered to the people that are their paying market.
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby GarryRicketson » 2016-12-06 04:13

RoyFokker >>The religion of free software is too strong in you. No matter what almost every modern laptop or desktop cannot take advantage of the bare metal of the hardware as well as Windows or Mac O

Not a religion at all, but I have read 2 bibles, in my life time, one really
is religion, and won't go into that here, the other, the title was :
The UNIX Bible ( or something like that ) so many years ago, I had
one, and read / studied it closely, unfortunately in my travels,it got lost,
but that is another story,

Any way, when I started using a PC, I all ready had my religion, but
economically , was not in a position to go out and buy a brand new
PC, at that time usually the Dos install floppies came with a
new computer, but in my case the PC I got at a flea market
had none,....it took me a while to figure out that is what I needed
to get it to boot, I finally did manage to get the thing to tell me,
"Please insert a boot disk",...and I did not have one, so I asked a friend
at work, one of the dispatchers in the office, was pretty "advanced" with
computers, in fact he did all the computer work for them,...any way he made
a copy of DOS 1.1 for me, so I could boot the PC,...I also got a book "Dos for Dummies",...the very first version,......
Trying hard, to shorten a very long story,... In a nut shell, religion no,
economic, and because at that time, there was next to nothing for
software available, even if one paid for it, my reason for wanting
the computer was ham radio, related,...and all the software or
"programs" either had to be written from scratch,...or if one knew
where to look, and whom, in my case, my dispatcher/friend/co-worker was my first contact, later fellow "hams", perhaps someone would share what they
had,... "open source", shareware,...
The problem with the "closed source", software, commercial and copy righted,
All to often it was far from efficient , and less the perfect, and can not easily
be modified, several times I have been greatly disappointed with software I purchased, and it falls short of my needs, and expectations,..fortunately
my friends, and new friends I was finding on the internet, and radio bands,
fortunately, when I mentioned, "this program I bought does not work well",
"name of program ?", after giving the name, the response, "Oh, you don't
need that,...here is a "batch script" that will do the same thing, and better,
and then I started learning how to write my own as well,and later
with qbasic, even more can be done.
... Nothing is
totally "free", to get the best, and most efficient takes a lot of work.
What is "best" and most efficient for some one else, might not be
the same for me, "closed source" commercial software, can not be
easily modified. One has to develop some kind of "reverse engineering"
program,...and that has been and can be done, but it is much easier just
to take what on friend has done and shares, if need be modify it , to suit
my needs,.....
I think maybe that give a rough description of what I am trying to say,...
not a religion, but a way of life, and matter of using what is available.
My first internet connection, I was lost, when I saw my first UNIX prompt,..
after the :
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login:
password:
cyber@net:$==

Fortunately ' help ' worked,... but any way , to shorten a long story,
not to long after , I realized I needed another book, and stumbled on
to the "UNIX Bible" , in a computer/software store,...it opened up
the on line world, and UNIX for me,..... 'Usenet" was "young" but,available and
I met some incredibly knowledgeable people, professors, and scientists,
all over the world,... most very friendly, quite happy to share information,
point me toward software, and open source programs that might be
use full, most developers are quite happy to have someone willing to try
their "program", or script,...etc,... it is all ways interesting to see how it
works on a different machine,...
Windows , was a big disappointment, I actually bought a brand new
PC, it came with a set of Dos 6 floppies, and the windows install disks,
.... but what a piece of "junk" the first MS Windows was, ,,,,total failure,
It was kind of "neat" at first, but crashed my computer with in a couple
of weeks, ....I re-installed Dos, but not the mal-ware ,MS windows.
And the PC kept working just fine, I could run my "ham radio" software, and get on line, browse, and I even started my first web site,etc,.. just fine, with out the "newest program", MS windows.
Even today, with modern equipment, my computers, using a BSD, or
the older Debians, run 100% better, then they did with windows on
them. They all (except 1 laptop, my boss at work bought me a brand new, acer aspire series, with Windows XP, and did not work well, after I installed "FreeDos" and over wrote the MS-malware, it did work excellent, my kind still uses it running Debian, today ), all my laptops and desktop, were bought
second hand, at a "hock shop", dirt cheap,... why so cheap ?,..they had Windows
on them, ran very slow, and like "crap", the only way to sell them is with a low price ...but since I know how to fix that,...Install a BSD or Debian,do a little
work maybe, with the drivers, etc,..and they run great,...

So any way, that is how I know nothing has changed with Windows,...


How ever, I do agree, on Mac If I was going to spend some money, and buy a new computer, and pay for the OS, UNIX or OS X would be my choice,...
OS X for UNIX Users
The power of UNIX. The simplicity of Mac
-----------------------------------------------------
There are already tens of millions of OS X users—consumers, scientists, animators,
developers, system administrators, and more—making OS X the most widely used
UNIX desktop operating system

The problem though, with OS X, and UNIX,...well "closed source",...
there is no such thing as a "perfect" OS, for me, to make the OS perfect
for me, I need to be able to modify it, to do that, I need to be able to
get or access the "source code",.. ......... The same for a Browser,
this new "Opera" browser, might seem wonderful,...but if it is "closed source"
how can any one, see for sure exactly what it is doing ?


But any way. it is not a religion , and even the so called "free softwae","open source", OS's and software
has a "price", it is NOT a religion.
It takes some work to make it what you want it to be, and most of
the time, all though many help full , and eager to help, friendly people try
to help, the actual work has to be done by the "operator", user or system admin,
This is because computers are all so different, even the same brand, model,
everything, can and do respond differently,.....often it takes trying one thing,
make a minor change, try again, minor change, Oh NO something went wrong,
major change,.... oops, let's start over,...over and over,.. but eventually one can
get the machine working, and "talking",.... it becomes like a very finely tuned
motorcycle,...or "hot rod",... mine "humms" and "purrs" like a cat,...if and when
it starts making strange sounds,..it is telling me something is wrong, the screen
out put as well, the machine tells us what is wrong, if we "listen".... But yes, I agree , if Open Source, "free software", etc, is to much work for some body, or they don't have the desire and time,or skill, then the best thing to do would be get OS x, install it, or buy a Mac,...
MS windows, forget it,...not worth wasting the time or money.
I wonder if they have this new "closed source" Opera Browser available
for Macs, and OS x ?
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Re: Now: Opera Browser a Great Choice!

Postby RU55EL » 2016-12-06 06:38

RoyFokker wrote:[...]No matter what almost every modern laptop or desktop cannot take advantage of the bare metal of the hardware as well as Windows or Mac OS if you choose to use linux because linux is notorious for not supporting hardware to its full potential or often times it offers no support period and people wish for horrible support. [...]
RoyFokker wrote:[...]Graphics acceleration sucks under linux, graphic drivers suck and so many other things.[...]
RoyFokker wrote:[...] crapfest [...]
RoyFokker wrote:[...] X crapdows [...]


I think you should seriously consider switching to decaffeinated...
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