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4GB RAM minimum for today!
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
Debian absolutely it works very well with 2GB RAM. If draw all my scrots on Desktop Screenshots thread, I haven't spent more than 200MB RAM on my busy time.
I can run simultaneously (GUI) Browser, File Manager, Music Player, Theme Manager, (CLI) apps too, even watching my 20TB collection 60-FPS 1080p with mpv without the slightest disturbance.
I'm runing 2GB RAM since 10 years, last 4 years with Debian.
It is therefore relative, not exactly correct regarding minimum of 4GB RAM.
Debian vanilla (netinst) boots with 20MB RAM. Who knows how to use it properly does not spend anything in vain.
I can run simultaneously (GUI) Browser, File Manager, Music Player, Theme Manager, (CLI) apps too, even watching my 20TB collection 60-FPS 1080p with mpv without the slightest disturbance.
I'm runing 2GB RAM since 10 years, last 4 years with Debian.
It is therefore relative, not exactly correct regarding minimum of 4GB RAM.
Debian vanilla (netinst) boots with 20MB RAM. Who knows how to use it properly does not spend anything in vain.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
yes, KDE4 runws well with 1GB if you dont use akonadi framework, what for me, its main reason next to dolphin to be using KDE.., KDE without akonadi its the same a light DE (MATE or XFCE).dasein wrote:Truth be told, I run KDE4 (minus the PIM cruft) quite comfortably in one gig on my HTPC. But I also don't ask that rig to do anything else.
Even So, if you use open more than 12 tabs, you can get into problemas.
We re by now in 2017, it hasnt made many sense to try keeping with those small ammounts of RAM. Same happend with 32bits, they're all obsolence, people you must upgrade, you cant help it
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
I dont think open a few tabs, an try do your things its a matter od stupidity, I'm using KDE5 Stretch, i Had 2Gb as well and i got into problem many times a week, that's the reason i had to buy more ram, i was fed up of having to killall my browser to stop swapping.dasein wrote:Another pointless thread from this clueless adolescent OP.
2GB of RAM is tight but perfectly workable if one doesn't pretend that RAM is somehow infinite, or that being gratuitously wasteful of RAM somehow results in a spontaneous increase in the amount of RAM inside one's macine.
I routinely run KDE 4, multiple browsers, and the occasional instance of GIMP and/or LibreOffice on a 10 year old laptop with 2GB of RAM and no swap at all. I only occasionally run into problems, simply by closing apps I'm not actually using, disabling Javascript and Flash, etc.
It isn't about a problem with DE, or with the browser (though browsers are notorious for memory leaks), and certainly not with Debian. It's a matter of "Don't do stupid crap."
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
I have funny talking about anything with all of you..We're offtopic, come on.. dont be so rude with medasein wrote:Another pointless thread from this clueless adolescent OP.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
It depends. If I start a few non graphical instance of BSD that do little in the background, then sure, they will not consume more memory than some hundreds of MB. But, some people buy a computer with lots of RAM/CPU and serve many virtual machines to other "thinclients" on their LAN. I read about this in a blog of some guy and he recommended 32 GB. Not perhaps a normal use situation, but still possible. If you had many people using full OS on the same machine, then you would probably want as much RAM as possible. For example, I have win 10 VM that freezes if I don't allocate 4 GB for it. Now if you run that on top of a heavy DE (like GNOME/KDE) on Debian you're easily up to 6 GB or more. This also applies if you have one machine (no VM) but many people are logged on at the same time into a DE (like one being locked in the background while another is using their own profile).GarryRicketson wrote:Even with 2 VM s running, and FireFox,browser with several tabs open....I am usually averagingfull
Well what if you need to run VM's or do some heavy compiling.
about 750 to 800 mb of actual ram used, I do have 2 gb available .
But it is true , "heavy compiling" would make it higher.
At the moment, using "OpenBsd" I am using 461 mb ram.
Also, in development RAM is quite useful. You can compile large sets in RAM more rapidly than even on an SSD. Or if you need to test software that you develop on many OS's (and therefore have the other OS virtualized in the background).
Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
Imagine a student having a short term memory of that size...., they would pass their examinations like a breeze with flying colours!bester69 wrote:4GB RAM minimum for today!
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
What I spend my money on is no concern of yours.Segfault wrote:Fascinating. I've always wondered why some people add odd amounts of RAM to their computers. First, it costs money, second, it is a waste of energy. It must be the same thing that makes them to buy pickup trucks and/or ugly SUV's. Some dark desire that cannot be overridden by common sense. My condolences.phenest wrote:In fact, my laptop which has 32GB, is at this moment only using 1.4GB running Gnome 3 with Claws Mail and Chromium (1 tab) open. Then I started playing The Shining in HD with MPV, started Rhythmbox playing Pink Floyd, then started System Monitor and Nautilus. 1.7GB used.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
Yep. 2 GB is fine, 4 GB or more is better, and it depends on the user and what's being done. The computer I'm typing this from has "only" 2 GB RAM. I have Debian and Arch on it, but also openSUSE (with KDE). KDE runs fine. I don't often run with a dozen or more tabs open in the web browser, though. Too messy; I make use of the History. And/or bookmarks.dasein wrote:2GB of RAM is tight but perfectly workable
Edit: I should also point out that I have another computer, 2 GB RAM; that one struggles with Chromium and Firefox and isn't all that great with "lighter" web browsers. I wouldn't even try running KDE on that machine. Obviously, RAM isn't the only thing to consider.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
Segfault wrote:Fascinating. I've always wondered why some people add odd amounts of RAM to their computers. First, it costs money, second, it is a waste of energy. It must be the same thing that makes them to buy pickup trucks and/or ugly SUV's. Some dark desire that cannot be overridden by common sense. My condolences.phenest wrote:In fact, my laptop which has 32GB, is at this moment only using 1.4GB running Gnome 3 with Claws Mail and Chromium (1 tab) open. Then I started playing The Shining in HD with MPV, started Rhythmbox playing Pink Floyd, then started System Monitor and Nautilus. 1.7GB used.
Uhh, maybe because it is required for WORK? I need 24-32GB, with a current 32GB installed.
I constantly run at least one VM ( runs my Linux stuff ) that has at least 4GB RAM dedicated to it on this workstation. Then, if Lightroom is open my gallery chews through 2-8GB RAM depending on what collection set I have open, the more photos and previews being loaded = more RAM used.
Toss in opening a 4752x3168 or larger image to edit in Photoshop at the same time and that can easily eat up to 10GB RAM depending on how many adjustment layers are being used. Assuming the heaviest use that is 10+8+4 = 22GB RAM so there is 10 GB left over for system / browser / whatever use.
You are welcome to try doing this workload on a system with 4-8GB of RAM if you want.... just be prepared to spend all day swapping out to disk when trying to get anything done.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
To answer the OP... No I don't need even 1GB for my everyday tasks, though some of my PCs do have upto 4GB. I want the same interface on all my computers and I have a need for speed on even the powerpc's and Celerons. My main desktop is nearly 10 years old and several people comment on how fast it is. I only need libre office for work, Seamonkey and a few utilities. On my desktop I run Claws mail so could add another 100MB.
2.0 MiB + 578.0 KiB = 2.6 MiB tint2
3.2 MiB + 94.0 KiB = 3.3 MiB hald
3.3 MiB + 467.0 KiB = 3.8 MiB bash (3)
3.7 MiB + 278.0 KiB = 3.9 MiB dhclient (2)
3.5 MiB + 569.5 KiB = 4.1 MiB wicd-monitor
3.9 MiB + 646.5 KiB = 4.5 MiB openbox
3.5 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 4.6 MiB leafpad
4.7 MiB + 542.5 KiB = 5.2 MiB wicd
4.3 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 5.4 MiB lilyterm
6.7 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 8.2 MiB spacefm
8.1 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 9.6 MiB ROX-Filer
10.4 MiB + 1.8 MiB = 12.2 MiB Xorg
10.9 MiB + 2.1 MiB = 13.0 MiB wicd-client
75.5 MiB + 1.6 MiB = 77.1 MiB soffice.bin
183.4 MiB + 1.8 MiB = 185.2 MiB seamonkey
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
I don't need 1GB as well, 200 MB here. Managing a distro weight i see the same as selecting the proper food for feeding.
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nili ~ $ ps_mem
Private + Shared = RAM used Program
184.0 KiB + 81.5 KiB = 265.5 KiB startx
172.0 KiB + 170.5 KiB = 342.5 KiB xinit
488.0 KiB + 176.0 KiB = 664.0 KiB systemd-journald
604.0 KiB + 166.0 KiB = 770.0 KiB conky
764.0 KiB + 164.5 KiB = 928.5 KiB systemd-logind
668.0 KiB + 298.5 KiB = 966.5 KiB login
788.0 KiB + 258.0 KiB = 1.0 MiB dbus-daemon
900.0 KiB + 352.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB sudo
1.0 MiB + 207.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB systemd-udevd
1.0 MiB + 801.5 KiB = 1.8 MiB spectrwm
1.5 MiB + 409.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB bash
1.9 MiB + 228.0 KiB = 2.1 MiB systemd
5.9 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 7.0 MiB urxvt
4.8 MiB + 4.4 MiB = 9.2 MiB spacefm
9.8 MiB + 5.4 MiB = 15.1 MiB Xorg
13.5 MiB + 4.2 MiB = 17.7 MiB deadbeef-gtkui
44.9 MiB + 5.6 MiB = 50.6 MiB mpv
81.1 MiB + 4.2 MiB = 85.2 MiB palemoon
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
I think I will stick with what I have,.. 749mb, used when 2 browsers and a few
tabs,.... and other things running in the background,....
It goes up a little (776 mb ) with my pacman game running on Dosbox.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
With my normal daily complement of software:
=965.5 MiB
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russel@u55a:~$ sudo ps_mem.py
[sudo] password for russel:
Private + Shared = RAM used Program
132.0 KiB + 20.5 KiB = 152.5 KiB minissdpd
140.0 KiB + 33.5 KiB = 173.5 KiB cat
164.0 KiB + 35.0 KiB = 199.0 KiB gnome-pty-helper
188.0 KiB + 26.0 KiB = 214.0 KiB acpid
224.0 KiB + 17.0 KiB = 241.0 KiB start-pulseaudi
196.0 KiB + 50.5 KiB = 246.5 KiB atd
256.0 KiB + 37.0 KiB = 293.0 KiB agetty
168.0 KiB + 133.5 KiB = 301.5 KiB rdnssd (2)
300.0 KiB + 60.5 KiB = 360.5 KiB rtkit-daemon
260.0 KiB + 100.5 KiB = 360.5 KiB rpc.idmapd
324.0 KiB + 76.0 KiB = 400.0 KiB cron
316.0 KiB + 89.0 KiB = 405.0 KiB dbus-launch
388.0 KiB + 71.5 KiB = 459.5 KiB systemd-timesyncd
528.0 KiB + 18.5 KiB = 546.5 KiB ssh-agent
512.0 KiB + 82.5 KiB = 594.5 KiB xprop
456.0 KiB + 160.0 KiB = 616.0 KiB rpcbind
676.0 KiB + 113.0 KiB = 789.0 KiB dconf-service
648.0 KiB + 162.0 KiB = 810.0 KiB rpc.statd
640.0 KiB + 189.0 KiB = 829.0 KiB at-spi-bus-launcher
748.0 KiB + 105.0 KiB = 853.0 KiB dnsmasq
796.0 KiB + 61.0 KiB = 857.0 KiB systemd-logind
372.0 KiB + 534.0 KiB = 906.0 KiB avahi-daemon (2)
672.0 KiB + 235.0 KiB = 907.0 KiB gconfd-2
716.0 KiB + 219.0 KiB = 935.0 KiB at-spi2-registryd
812.0 KiB + 173.0 KiB = 985.0 KiB gvfs-mtp-volume-monitor
788.0 KiB + 222.0 KiB = 1.0 MiB gvfsd
792.0 KiB + 226.0 KiB = 1.0 MiB gvfs-goa-volume-monitor
808.0 KiB + 227.0 KiB = 1.0 MiB gvfsd-burn
992.0 KiB + 83.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB htop
1.0 MiB + 129.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB tmux
1.1 MiB + 76.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB bluetoothd
988.0 KiB + 246.0 KiB = 1.2 MiB gvfsd-trash
1.0 MiB + 183.0 KiB = 1.2 MiB gvfsd-fuse
1.1 MiB + 206.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor
1.3 MiB + 96.0 KiB = 1.4 MiB exim4
1.1 MiB + 348.5 KiB = 1.4 MiB gvfs-afc-volume-monitor
1.4 MiB + 266.5 KiB = 1.6 MiB gdm3
1.4 MiB + 211.0 KiB = 1.6 MiB gvfsd-metadata
1.3 MiB + 365.0 KiB = 1.7 MiB zeitgeist-daemon
1.3 MiB + 416.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB sshd
1.5 MiB + 170.0 KiB = 1.7 MiB accounts-daemon
1.3 MiB + 385.0 KiB = 1.7 MiB gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
1.3 MiB + 435.0 KiB = 1.7 MiB upowerd
1.2 MiB + 788.0 KiB = 1.9 MiB sudo (2)
1.8 MiB + 93.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB systemd-udevd
1.9 MiB + 76.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB rsyslogd
1.7 MiB + 345.5 KiB = 2.1 MiB udisksd
1.5 MiB + 594.0 KiB = 2.1 MiB gsd-printer
1.8 MiB + 386.5 KiB = 2.2 MiB gnome-keyring-daemon
1.6 MiB + 584.0 KiB = 2.2 MiB openvpn
1.8 MiB + 566.5 KiB = 2.4 MiB x-session-manag
2.1 MiB + 378.0 KiB = 2.5 MiB gdm-session-worker
2.4 MiB + 165.5 KiB = 2.6 MiB polkitd
2.2 MiB + 565.0 KiB = 2.7 MiB tracker-miner-user-guides
2.3 MiB + 591.5 KiB = 2.8 MiB wpa_supplicant
1.9 MiB + 981.5 KiB = 2.9 MiB mission-control-5
2.0 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 3.1 MiB (sd-pam) (2)
2.7 MiB + 647.0 KiB = 3.3 MiB tracker-miner-apps
2.7 MiB + 652.0 KiB = 3.4 MiB dbus-daemon (3)
3.0 MiB + 353.0 KiB = 3.4 MiB ModemManager
2.8 MiB + 829.0 KiB = 3.6 MiB zeitgeist-datahub
2.1 MiB + 1.7 MiB = 3.7 MiB systemd (3)
3.5 MiB + 620.5 KiB = 4.1 MiB packagekitd
3.0 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 4.3 MiB gnome-shell-calendar-server
3.8 MiB + 896.0 KiB = 4.7 MiB NetworkManager
3.3 MiB + 1.8 MiB = 5.1 MiB evolution-source-registry
4.7 MiB + 530.5 KiB = 5.2 MiB colord
6.3 MiB + 61.0 KiB = 6.4 MiB systemd-journald
6.8 MiB + 603.5 KiB = 7.4 MiB zeitgeist-fts
4.8 MiB + 3.0 MiB = 7.7 MiB pulseaudio (2)
5.4 MiB + 2.3 MiB = 7.7 MiB nm-applet
8.4 MiB + 39.5 KiB = 8.4 MiB dhclient
7.3 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 8.5 MiB tracker-miner-fs
8.0 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 9.2 MiB bash (4)
7.1 MiB + 2.3 MiB = 9.4 MiB gnome-terminal-server
5.6 MiB + 4.5 MiB = 10.2 MiB goa-daemon
10.8 MiB + 549.0 KiB = 11.3 MiB tracker-store
10.5 MiB + 2.3 MiB = 12.8 MiB applet.py
10.8 MiB + 3.1 MiB = 13.8 MiB gnome-settings-daemon
13.9 MiB + 2.8 MiB = 16.8 MiB Xorg
14.1 MiB + 3.9 MiB = 18.1 MiB nautilus
11.3 MiB + 7.5 MiB = 18.8 MiB evolution-alarm-notify
28.4 MiB + 3.5 MiB = 31.9 MiB transmission-gtk
37.9 MiB + 3.2 MiB = 41.1 MiB evolution-calendar-factory
102.1 MiB + 3.3 MiB = 105.4 MiB tracker-extract
145.6 MiB + 7.2 MiB = 152.8 MiB gnome-shell
349.7 MiB + 6.3 MiB = 356.0 MiB firefox-esr
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965.5 MiB
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
I opened Kodi,
Now it says, 2,0 GB
subir imagenes
i think, you can see 4Gb is required, otherwise is tring to survive
Now it says, 2,0 GB
subir imagenes
i think, you can see 4Gb is required, otherwise is tring to survive
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
Its just one tab, others are its own processwizard10000 wrote:Internet browser with at least five tabs open, which is taking up almost half the RAM you're using.bester69 wrote:1,7Gb just with Internet browser opened
I always pick ultimate tools, shutter its most complete in this task.shutter is taking up a buncha RAM, why not kill it if it's not needed? IIRC shutter minimizes to the tray by default when you close it; if you're running KDE perhaps you'd get a little better performance out of spectacle? Not clear why you're running a GTK screenshot app when KDE has one that works perfectly well
I also disble baloo, but not kontact(akonadi), this is best feature among distros, Im using Guake insteed Yakuake, i dont remember why, i picked Guake.I don't use any KDE PIM apps so akonadi is disabled on my machine. I also don't use baloo, finding it a waste of disk space and processor cycles. On my own Plasma 5 installation (I run Sid) KDE uses about exactly 400mb of RAM at idle; the only thing in autostart is yakuake. I run a saved session with conky in it because Plasma 5.8 and later refuse to autostart conky so I use a workaround. I almost never see > 1GB of RAM used, but I close tabs I'm not using
I remember KDE uses around 650MB not 400M at idle withoout akonadi, with akonadi rises to 950 or so, that with Chrome (one tab plus extensions) its around 1,5 GB, if you open some more apps (libreoffice, kate, okular) and some more tabs, it rise > 2Gb easilly, so its neccesary at least 4GB, cos you cant install 3Gb.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
Years ago I doubled my memory and noticed no change at all. Computer processing requires a combination of parts working together. Real improvement may require a completely different combination of parts. There is no silver bullet.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
If the user wants to go to stupidly "heavy" sites such as the HuffPo, those will bog down most older machines due to the rendering required. They aren't interested in users with slower hardware. No matter how efficient the base system, the browser still is going have to use a lot of CPU cycles to render that page.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
I won't put up my average system RAM consumption because I'm aware I've been fumbling with it and for sure there are a lot of processes running that should not be there, just putting weight on it.
What I usually try - and have been trying since I became more comfortable with tweaking my systems - is to find how low can I get on system resources and still have a working system for the average user.
But personally, as soon as I can get a machine for my single use, I'm going for the most streamlined system I can get built on openbox (I'm partial towards it) and try to get my power user badge.
Someone once nicknamed your system a frankendebian and I'm finding myself agreeing more and more with the title. With all the messing around you do to it, atop the odd user habits you have (I can't see the use for having more than two or three tabs in my web browser at the same time, and that is including Youtube, Codecademy and the eventual Wikipedia page or some forum or Facebook) it's easy to understand why you complain about having your system constantly bogging down.
I'm presently running on 4GB of RAM and after a quick check on it, I'm using about 1GB. Before I had the 4GB chip in the system, I was doing well with only half the memory and considering my system does not have a dedicated graphics card, I was doing very well. Except for the more resource hungry program (Minetest, Unknown Horizons, GIMP and Shotwell) my system was pretty snappy and functional. I added the extra memory for comfort, not extreme need; I could very well reconfigure the machine to a lighter DE (I'm using MATE), replace some programs with lighter alternatives (or even go without them) and put the system on a diet to squeeze more out of it. But then I would be trampling on the comfort of my family that also uses this machine.
The amount of memory in a system is directly tied to the needs of the users.
What I usually try - and have been trying since I became more comfortable with tweaking my systems - is to find how low can I get on system resources and still have a working system for the average user.
But personally, as soon as I can get a machine for my single use, I'm going for the most streamlined system I can get built on openbox (I'm partial towards it) and try to get my power user badge.
Someone once nicknamed your system a frankendebian and I'm finding myself agreeing more and more with the title. With all the messing around you do to it, atop the odd user habits you have (I can't see the use for having more than two or three tabs in my web browser at the same time, and that is including Youtube, Codecademy and the eventual Wikipedia page or some forum or Facebook) it's easy to understand why you complain about having your system constantly bogging down.
I'm presently running on 4GB of RAM and after a quick check on it, I'm using about 1GB. Before I had the 4GB chip in the system, I was doing well with only half the memory and considering my system does not have a dedicated graphics card, I was doing very well. Except for the more resource hungry program (Minetest, Unknown Horizons, GIMP and Shotwell) my system was pretty snappy and functional. I added the extra memory for comfort, not extreme need; I could very well reconfigure the machine to a lighter DE (I'm using MATE), replace some programs with lighter alternatives (or even go without them) and put the system on a diet to squeeze more out of it. But then I would be trampling on the comfort of my family that also uses this machine.
The amount of memory in a system is directly tied to the needs of the users.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!
eh .. 2GB on laptop .. 6 days uptime (heavy user)
using 995MB (and 206MB in 4GB-swap) .. chromium (six tabs), firefox (three tabs), rtorrent, moc (streaming radio), mpv (movie-paused), htop, ranger and xterm open
.. don't think I need more ..
using 995MB (and 206MB in 4GB-swap) .. chromium (six tabs), firefox (three tabs), rtorrent, moc (streaming radio), mpv (movie-paused), htop, ranger and xterm open
.. don't think I need more ..
there's no business like .. your own business ..