4GB RAM minimum for today!

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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby Nili » 2016-12-16 07:55

Debian absolutely it works very well with 2GB RAM. If draw all my scrots on Desktop Screenshots thread, I haven't spent more than 200MB RAM on my busy time.

I can run simultaneously (GUI) Browser, File Manager, Music Player, Theme Manager, (CLI) apps too, even watching my 20TB collection 60-FPS 1080p with mpv without the slightest disturbance.
I'm runing 2GB RAM since 10 years, last 4 years with Debian.

It is therefore relative, not exactly correct regarding minimum of 4GB RAM.

Debian vanilla (netinst) boots with 20MB RAM. Who knows how to use it properly does not spend anything in vain.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby bester69 » 2016-12-16 08:23

dasein wrote:Truth be told, I run KDE4 (minus the PIM cruft) quite comfortably in one gig on my HTPC. But I also don't ask that rig to do anything else.

yes, KDE4 runws well with 1GB if you dont use akonadi framework, what for me, its main reason next to dolphin to be using KDE.., KDE without akonadi its the same a light DE (MATE or XFCE).
Even So, if you use open more than 12 tabs, you can get into problemas.

We re by now in 2017, it hasnt made many sense to try keeping with those small ammounts of RAM. Same happend with 32bits, they're all obsolence, people you must upgrade, you cant help it :mrgreen:
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby bester69 » 2016-12-16 08:29

dasein wrote:Another pointless thread from this clueless adolescent OP.

2GB of RAM is tight but perfectly workable if one doesn't pretend that RAM is somehow infinite, or that being gratuitously wasteful of RAM somehow results in a spontaneous increase in the amount of RAM inside one's macine.

I routinely run KDE 4, multiple browsers, and the occasional instance of GIMP and/or LibreOffice on a 10 year old laptop with 2GB of RAM and no swap at all. I only occasionally run into problems, simply by closing apps I'm not actually using, disabling Javascript and Flash, etc.

It isn't about a problem with DE, or with the browser (though browsers are notorious for memory leaks), and certainly not with Debian. It's a matter of "Don't do stupid shit."

I dont think open a few tabs, an try do your things its a matter od stupidity, I'm using KDE5 Stretch, i Had 2Gb as well and i got into problem many times a week, that's the reason i had to buy more ram, i was fed up of having to killall my browser to stop swapping.

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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby bester69 » 2016-12-16 08:35

dasein wrote:Another pointless thread from this clueless adolescent OP.

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I have funny talking about anything with all of you..We're offtopic, come on.. :( dont be so rude with me
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby pylkko » 2016-12-16 08:43

GarryRicketson wrote:

Well what if you need to run VM's or do some heavy compiling.


Even with 2 VM s running, and FireFox,browser with several tabs open....I am usually averagingfull
about 750 to 800 mb of actual ram used, I do have 2 gb available .

But it is true , "heavy compiling" would make it higher.
At the moment, using "OpenBsd" I am using 461 mb ram.

It depends. If I start a few non graphical instance of BSD that do little in the background, then sure, they will not consume more memory than some hundreds of MB. But, some people buy a computer with lots of RAM/CPU and serve many virtual machines to other "thinclients" on their LAN. I read about this in a blog of some guy and he recommended 32 GB. Not perhaps a normal use situation, but still possible. If you had many people using full OS on the same machine, then you would probably want as much RAM as possible. For example, I have win 10 VM that freezes if I don't allocate 4 GB for it. Now if you run that on top of a heavy DE (like GNOME/KDE) on Debian you're easily up to 6 GB or more. This also applies if you have one machine (no VM) but many people are logged on at the same time into a DE (like one being locked in the background while another is using their own profile).

Also, in development RAM is quite useful. You can compile large sets in RAM more rapidly than even on an SSD. Or if you need to test software that you develop on many OS's (and therefore have the other OS virtualized in the background).
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby edbarx » 2016-12-16 09:28

bester69 wrote:4GB RAM minimum for today!

Imagine a student having a short term memory of that size...., they would pass their examinations like a breeze with flying colours!
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby phenest » 2016-12-16 11:21

Segfault wrote:
phenest wrote:In fact, my laptop which has 32GB, is at this moment only using 1.4GB running Gnome 3 with Claws Mail and Chromium (1 tab) open. Then I started playing The Shining in HD with MPV, started Rhythmbox playing Pink Floyd, then started System Monitor and Nautilus. 1.7GB used.

Fascinating. I've always wondered why some people add odd amounts of RAM to their computers. First, it costs money, second, it is a waste of energy. It must be the same thing that makes them to buy pickup trucks and/or ugly SUV's. Some dark desire that cannot be overridden by common sense. My condolences.

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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby MALsPa » 2016-12-16 12:51

dasein wrote:2GB of RAM is tight but perfectly workable

Yep. 2 GB is fine, 4 GB or more is better, and it depends on the user and what's being done. The computer I'm typing this from has "only" 2 GB RAM. I have Debian and Arch on it, but also openSUSE (with KDE). KDE runs fine. I don't often run with a dozen or more tabs open in the web browser, though. Too messy; I make use of the History. And/or bookmarks.

Edit: I should also point out that I have another computer, 2 GB RAM; that one struggles with Chromium and Firefox and isn't all that great with "lighter" web browsers. I wouldn't even try running KDE on that machine. Obviously, RAM isn't the only thing to consider.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby pendrachken » 2016-12-17 00:57

Segfault wrote:
phenest wrote:In fact, my laptop which has 32GB, is at this moment only using 1.4GB running Gnome 3 with Claws Mail and Chromium (1 tab) open. Then I started playing The Shining in HD with MPV, started Rhythmbox playing Pink Floyd, then started System Monitor and Nautilus. 1.7GB used.

Fascinating. I've always wondered why some people add odd amounts of RAM to their computers. First, it costs money, second, it is a waste of energy. It must be the same thing that makes them to buy pickup trucks and/or ugly SUV's. Some dark desire that cannot be overridden by common sense. My condolences.



Uhh, maybe because it is required for WORK? I need 24-32GB, with a current 32GB installed.

I constantly run at least one VM ( runs my Linux stuff ) that has at least 4GB RAM dedicated to it on this workstation. Then, if Lightroom is open my gallery chews through 2-8GB RAM depending on what collection set I have open, the more photos and previews being loaded = more RAM used.

Toss in opening a 4752x3168 or larger image to edit in Photoshop at the same time and that can easily eat up to 10GB RAM depending on how many adjustment layers are being used. Assuming the heaviest use that is 10+8+4 = 22GB RAM so there is 10 GB left over for system / browser / whatever use.

You are welcome to try doing this workload on a system with 4-8GB of RAM if you want.... just be prepared to spend all day swapping out to disk when trying to get anything done.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby oswaldkelso » 2016-12-18 13:16

To answer the OP... No I don't need even 1GB for my everyday tasks, though some of my PCs do have upto 4GB. I want the same interface on all my computers and I have a need for speed on even the powerpc's and Celerons. My main desktop is nearly 10 years old and several people comment on how fast it is. I only need libre office for work, Seamonkey and a few utilities. On my desktop I run Claws mail so could add another 100MB.


2.0 MiB + 578.0 KiB = 2.6 MiB tint2
3.2 MiB + 94.0 KiB = 3.3 MiB hald
3.3 MiB + 467.0 KiB = 3.8 MiB bash (3)
3.7 MiB + 278.0 KiB = 3.9 MiB dhclient (2)
3.5 MiB + 569.5 KiB = 4.1 MiB wicd-monitor
3.9 MiB + 646.5 KiB = 4.5 MiB openbox
3.5 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 4.6 MiB leafpad
4.7 MiB + 542.5 KiB = 5.2 MiB wicd
4.3 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 5.4 MiB lilyterm
6.7 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 8.2 MiB spacefm
8.1 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 9.6 MiB ROX-Filer
10.4 MiB + 1.8 MiB = 12.2 MiB Xorg
10.9 MiB + 2.1 MiB = 13.0 MiB wicd-client
75.5 MiB + 1.6 MiB = 77.1 MiB soffice.bin
183.4 MiB + 1.8 MiB = 185.2 MiB seamonkey
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby Nili » 2016-12-19 09:54

I don't need 1GB as well, 200 MB here. Managing a distro weight i see the same as selecting the proper food for feeding.
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nili ~ $ ps_mem
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used   Program

184.0 KiB +  81.5 KiB = 265.5 KiB   startx
172.0 KiB + 170.5 KiB = 342.5 KiB   xinit
488.0 KiB + 176.0 KiB = 664.0 KiB   systemd-journald
604.0 KiB + 166.0 KiB = 770.0 KiB   conky
764.0 KiB + 164.5 KiB = 928.5 KiB   systemd-logind
668.0 KiB + 298.5 KiB = 966.5 KiB   login
788.0 KiB + 258.0 KiB =   1.0 MiB   dbus-daemon
900.0 KiB + 352.5 KiB =   1.2 MiB   sudo
  1.0 MiB + 207.5 KiB =   1.2 MiB   systemd-udevd
  1.0 MiB + 801.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB   spectrwm
  1.5 MiB + 409.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB   bash
  1.9 MiB + 228.0 KiB =   2.1 MiB   systemd
  5.9 MiB +   1.1 MiB =   7.0 MiB   urxvt
  4.8 MiB +   4.4 MiB =   9.2 MiB   spacefm
  9.8 MiB +   5.4 MiB =  15.1 MiB   Xorg
 13.5 MiB +   4.2 MiB =  17.7 MiB   deadbeef-gtkui
 44.9 MiB +   5.6 MiB =  50.6 MiB   mpv
 81.1 MiB +   4.2 MiB =  85.2 MiB   palemoon
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                        198.0 MiB
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby bester69 » 2016-12-19 14:40

1,7Gb just with Internet browser opened

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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby GarryRicketson » 2016-12-19 15:10

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I think I will stick with what I have,.. 749mb, used when 2 browsers and a few
tabs,.... and other things running in the background,....

It goes up a little (776 mb ) with my pacman game running on Dosbox.
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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby wizard10000 » 2016-12-19 15:19

bester69 wrote:1,7Gb just with Internet browser opened


Internet browser with at least five tabs open, which is taking up almost half the RAM you're using.

akonadi and mysql is also taking up a fair chunk, but you like akonadi :)

shutter is taking up a buncha RAM, why not kill it if it's not needed? IIRC shutter minimizes to the tray by default when you close it; if you're running KDE perhaps you'd get a little better performance out of spectacle? Not clear why you're running a GTK screenshot app when KDE has one that works perfectly well :)

I don't use any KDE PIM apps so akonadi is disabled on my machine. I also don't use baloo, finding it a waste of disk space and processor cycles. On my own Plasma 5 installation (I run Sid) KDE uses about exactly 400mb of RAM at idle; the only thing in autostart is yakuake. I run a saved session with conky in it because Plasma 5.8 and later refuse to autostart conky so I use a workaround. I almost never see > 1GB of RAM used, but I close tabs I'm not using :P

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Re: 4GB RAM minimum for today!

Postby RU55EL » 2016-12-19 17:21

With my normal daily complement of software:

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russel@u55a:~$ sudo ps_mem.py
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 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used   Program

132.0 KiB +  20.5 KiB = 152.5 KiB   minissdpd
140.0 KiB +  33.5 KiB = 173.5 KiB   cat
164.0 KiB +  35.0 KiB = 199.0 KiB   gnome-pty-helper
188.0 KiB +  26.0 KiB = 214.0 KiB   acpid
224.0 KiB +  17.0 KiB = 241.0 KiB   start-pulseaudi
196.0 KiB +  50.5 KiB = 246.5 KiB   atd
256.0 KiB +  37.0 KiB = 293.0 KiB   agetty
168.0 KiB + 133.5 KiB = 301.5 KiB   rdnssd (2)
300.0 KiB +  60.5 KiB = 360.5 KiB   rtkit-daemon
260.0 KiB + 100.5 KiB = 360.5 KiB   rpc.idmapd
324.0 KiB +  76.0 KiB = 400.0 KiB   cron
316.0 KiB +  89.0 KiB = 405.0 KiB   dbus-launch
388.0 KiB +  71.5 KiB = 459.5 KiB   systemd-timesyncd
528.0 KiB +  18.5 KiB = 546.5 KiB   ssh-agent
512.0 KiB +  82.5 KiB = 594.5 KiB   xprop
456.0 KiB + 160.0 KiB = 616.0 KiB   rpcbind
676.0 KiB + 113.0 KiB = 789.0 KiB   dconf-service
648.0 KiB + 162.0 KiB = 810.0 KiB   rpc.statd
640.0 KiB + 189.0 KiB = 829.0 KiB   at-spi-bus-launcher
748.0 KiB + 105.0 KiB = 853.0 KiB   dnsmasq
796.0 KiB +  61.0 KiB = 857.0 KiB   systemd-logind
372.0 KiB + 534.0 KiB = 906.0 KiB   avahi-daemon (2)
672.0 KiB + 235.0 KiB = 907.0 KiB   gconfd-2
716.0 KiB + 219.0 KiB = 935.0 KiB   at-spi2-registryd
812.0 KiB + 173.0 KiB = 985.0 KiB   gvfs-mtp-volume-monitor
788.0 KiB + 222.0 KiB =   1.0 MiB   gvfsd
792.0 KiB + 226.0 KiB =   1.0 MiB   gvfs-goa-volume-monitor
808.0 KiB + 227.0 KiB =   1.0 MiB   gvfsd-burn
992.0 KiB +  83.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB   htop
  1.0 MiB + 129.5 KiB =   1.2 MiB   tmux
  1.1 MiB +  76.5 KiB =   1.2 MiB   bluetoothd
988.0 KiB + 246.0 KiB =   1.2 MiB   gvfsd-trash
  1.0 MiB + 183.0 KiB =   1.2 MiB   gvfsd-fuse
  1.1 MiB + 206.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB   gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor
  1.3 MiB +  96.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB   exim4
  1.1 MiB + 348.5 KiB =   1.4 MiB   gvfs-afc-volume-monitor
  1.4 MiB + 266.5 KiB =   1.6 MiB   gdm3
  1.4 MiB + 211.0 KiB =   1.6 MiB   gvfsd-metadata
  1.3 MiB + 365.0 KiB =   1.7 MiB   zeitgeist-daemon
  1.3 MiB + 416.5 KiB =   1.7 MiB   sshd
  1.5 MiB + 170.0 KiB =   1.7 MiB   accounts-daemon
  1.3 MiB + 385.0 KiB =   1.7 MiB   gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
  1.3 MiB + 435.0 KiB =   1.7 MiB   upowerd
  1.2 MiB + 788.0 KiB =   1.9 MiB   sudo (2)
  1.8 MiB +  93.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB   systemd-udevd
  1.9 MiB +  76.5 KiB =   2.0 MiB   rsyslogd
  1.7 MiB + 345.5 KiB =   2.1 MiB   udisksd
  1.5 MiB + 594.0 KiB =   2.1 MiB   gsd-printer
  1.8 MiB + 386.5 KiB =   2.2 MiB   gnome-keyring-daemon
  1.6 MiB + 584.0 KiB =   2.2 MiB   openvpn
  1.8 MiB + 566.5 KiB =   2.4 MiB   x-session-manag
  2.1 MiB + 378.0 KiB =   2.5 MiB   gdm-session-worker
  2.4 MiB + 165.5 KiB =   2.6 MiB   polkitd
  2.2 MiB + 565.0 KiB =   2.7 MiB   tracker-miner-user-guides
  2.3 MiB + 591.5 KiB =   2.8 MiB   wpa_supplicant
  1.9 MiB + 981.5 KiB =   2.9 MiB   mission-control-5
  2.0 MiB +   1.1 MiB =   3.1 MiB   (sd-pam) (2)
  2.7 MiB + 647.0 KiB =   3.3 MiB   tracker-miner-apps
  2.7 MiB + 652.0 KiB =   3.4 MiB   dbus-daemon (3)
  3.0 MiB + 353.0 KiB =   3.4 MiB   ModemManager
  2.8 MiB + 829.0 KiB =   3.6 MiB   zeitgeist-datahub
  2.1 MiB +   1.7 MiB =   3.7 MiB   systemd (3)
  3.5 MiB + 620.5 KiB =   4.1 MiB   packagekitd
  3.0 MiB +   1.3 MiB =   4.3 MiB   gnome-shell-calendar-server
  3.8 MiB + 896.0 KiB =   4.7 MiB   NetworkManager
  3.3 MiB +   1.8 MiB =   5.1 MiB   evolution-source-registry
  4.7 MiB + 530.5 KiB =   5.2 MiB   colord
  6.3 MiB +  61.0 KiB =   6.4 MiB   systemd-journald
  6.8 MiB + 603.5 KiB =   7.4 MiB   zeitgeist-fts
  4.8 MiB +   3.0 MiB =   7.7 MiB   pulseaudio (2)
  5.4 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   7.7 MiB   nm-applet
  8.4 MiB +  39.5 KiB =   8.4 MiB   dhclient
  7.3 MiB +   1.1 MiB =   8.5 MiB   tracker-miner-fs
  8.0 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   9.2 MiB   bash (4)
  7.1 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   9.4 MiB   gnome-terminal-server
  5.6 MiB +   4.5 MiB =  10.2 MiB   goa-daemon
 10.8 MiB + 549.0 KiB =  11.3 MiB   tracker-store
 10.5 MiB +   2.3 MiB =  12.8 MiB   applet.py
 10.8 MiB +   3.1 MiB =  13.8 MiB   gnome-settings-daemon
 13.9 MiB +   2.8 MiB =  16.8 MiB   Xorg
 14.1 MiB +   3.9 MiB =  18.1 MiB   nautilus
 11.3 MiB +   7.5 MiB =  18.8 MiB   evolution-alarm-notify
 28.4 MiB +   3.5 MiB =  31.9 MiB   transmission-gtk
 37.9 MiB +   3.2 MiB =  41.1 MiB   evolution-calendar-factory
102.1 MiB +   3.3 MiB = 105.4 MiB   tracker-extract
145.6 MiB +   7.2 MiB = 152.8 MiB   gnome-shell
349.7 MiB +   6.3 MiB = 356.0 MiB   firefox-esr
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                        965.5 MiB
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=965.5 MiB
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