Is the future rolling?

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Re: Is the future rolling?

Postby kedaha » 2017-01-21 12:16

Danielsan wrote:Do you believe that Debian, without loosing its nature to aim being a stable OS, should be move forward and to implement a rollback feature?

A rollback feature would be an advantage to desktop users of, say, a distro based on sid. But stable will always be Debian's core distribution and it cannot be otherwise because its primary use is for servers, not desktop fun and games.
Danielsan wrote: Do you believe the modern rolling distros will replace at a certain point the olders which are based on an elder packaging paradigm?

The latest versions and eternal updates, seen perhaps by most final users as a desirable feature of os's like Windows, Ubuntu and Android are the last thing systems admins want on their servers. Debian stable will never be replaced by a rolling distribution.
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Re: Is the future rolling?

Postby HuangLao » 2017-01-21 20:50

Segfault wrote:
HuangLao wrote:IMO, rolling releases are the domain of testers, packagers some developers and hobbyists. You will not, nor should you see a rolling release anywhere near production boxes, whether a server or workstation. The potential for problems whether a bad upgrade or continuous security holes as the packages cannot be properly vetted is too great a threat for serious work. Now for the the categories already mentioned then have at it. By the way, Debian does have this feature (rolling) its called sid and meets the needs of those mentioned earlier.

People are running Gentoo server farms and Gentoo is rolling. One node is used as a testbed and binhost for others. If the upgrade works and passes testing then it is distributed to other nodes in binary form, no need to recompile it in every box.



Those people are ill advised.

Anyway, its very simple, instead of trying to change a distro, use a distro that is already designed for that specific purpose. If someone likes "rolling", which is actually a misnomer as it assumes the logical plane is a straight line, what happens when the location between two points is a hill (be that up or down)...I digress, if someone likes rolling, use a rolling distro, you like stable seek out one of the numerous stable (ish) distros, you like FSF use FSF, etc....
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Re: Is the future rolling?

Postby HuangLao » 2017-01-21 20:52

kedaha wrote:
Danielsan wrote:Do you believe that Debian, without loosing its nature to aim being a stable OS, should be move forward and to implement a rollback feature?

A rollback feature would be an advantage to desktop users of, say, a distro based on sid. But stable will always be Debian's core distribution and it cannot be otherwise because its primary use is for servers, not desktop fun and games.
Danielsan wrote: Do you believe the modern rolling distros will replace at a certain point the olders which are based on an elder packaging paradigm?

The latest versions and eternal updates, seen perhaps by most final users as a desirable feature of os's like Windows, Ubuntu and Android are the last thing systems admins want on their servers. Debian stable will never be replaced by a rolling distribution.


If Ubuntu refugees keep flooding the Debian borders who knows what the future holds. Where is that big Stable Wall around Debianland? Smashed by ssssystemd? joking, no thread hijacking intended. :lol:
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Re: Is the future rolling?

Postby debiman » 2017-01-21 22:12

DanielSan, yes, get that hot blood in motion!
the passion of youth!
but why waste that on an operating system, of all things? go out, change society in the real world! kiss a (whatever your sexual preference)!
:lol:
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Re: Is the future rolling?

Postby Danielsan » 2017-01-25 03:42

debiman wrote:DanielSan, yes, get that hot blood in motion!
the passion of youth!
but why waste that on an operating system, of all things? go out, change society in the real world! kiss a (whatever your sexual preference)!
:lol:


Sorry I didn't get you... :oops:
Maybe because I am start to be really old... :lol:

Anyway Debian can be stable even if decides to implement rollback feature which allows to be a fully rolling, one doesn't exclude the other, but APT must be redesigned.
For example Clear linux uses something similar to the bundle, but the bundles are progressives so the package manager updates only what is really changed not the entire bundle, I believe this really cool indeed. Guixsd allows to install several versions of the same software in user space so you don't even need to be root, this is another cool feature.

Eventually when the latter will be ready for production will be a very interesting distro completely FSF compliance.
If you can't fork then hold you in silence.
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