Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigration

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Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigration

Postby Hallvor » 2017-01-31 06:49

Maybe some people should concentrate on tech and leave politics aside..? What do you think?

The Linux operating system underlies nearly every piece of technology in modern life, from phones to satellites to web searches to your car. For the Linux Foundation, openness is both a part of our core principles and also a matter of practicality. Linux, the largest cooperatively developed software project in history, is created by thousands of people from around the world and made available to anyone to use for free. The Linux Foundation also hosts dozens of other open source projects covering security, networking, cloud, automotive, blockchain and other areas. Last year, the Linux Foundation hosted over 20,000 people from 85 countries at more than 150 events. Open source is a fundamentally global activity but America has always served as the hub for innovation and collaboration. Linux’s creator, Linux Foundation Fellow Linus Torvalds, immigrated to America from Finland and became a citizen. The Administration's policy on immigration restrictions is antithetical to the values of openness and community that have enabled open source to succeed. I oppose the immigration ban.

Jim Zemlin, Executive Director, The Linux Foundation


https://www.linux.com/blog/linux-founda ... ration-ban
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby FreewheelinFrank » 2017-01-31 07:19

These are extraordinary times. The Linux Foundation is right to take a stand.
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby oswaldkelso » 2017-01-31 08:50

These are extraordinary times. The Linux Foundation is right to take a stand.


Yes they are. Running (or running down) a country by twitter :(


“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.”



We could add a few more to what will I'm sure be a growing list:

Environmentalists, Muslims, Attorney general, etc. Extraordinary times indeed.
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby alan stone » 2017-01-31 14:00

Has the Linux Foundation previously also taken a stand on the related issues discussed here?

If not, you might ask yourself - or the Linux Foundation: why?

EDIT: added an additional question.
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby acewiza » 2017-01-31 14:52

alan stone wrote:Has the Linux Foundation previously also taken a stand on the related issues discussed here?

Of course not. Popular fake news topics are more suitable for generating positive public opinion.
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby golinux » 2017-01-31 15:06

Maybe our species can learn from history:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2uZ1WLUUAAxBJE.jpg
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby acewiza » 2017-01-31 16:15

golinux wrote:Maybe our species can learn from history:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2uZ1WLUUAAxBJE.jpg

Yeah, imagine how much better off we'd be with fewer people wearing funny hats and carrying stupid signs! :D
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby golinux » 2017-01-31 18:11

I don't see any "funny hats" or stupid signs. ;)
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby debiman » 2017-01-31 18:31

The Linux operating system underlies nearly every piece of technology in modern life, from phones to satellites to web searches to your car. For the Linux Foundation, openness is both a part of our core principles and also a matter of practicality. Linux, the largest cooperatively developed software project in history, is created by thousands of people from around the world and made available to anyone to use for free. The Linux Foundation also hosts dozens of other open source projects covering security, networking, cloud, automotive, blockchain and other areas. Last year, the Linux Foundation hosted over 20,000 people from 85 countries at more than 150 events. Open source is a fundamentally global activity but America has always served as the hub for innovation and collaboration. Linux’s creator, Linux Foundation Fellow Linus Torvalds, immigrated to America from Finland and became a citizen. The Administration's policy on immigration restrictions is antithetical to the values of openness and community that have enabled open source to succeed. I oppose the immigration ban.

Jim Zemlin, Executive Director, The Linux Foundation

https://www.linux.com/blog/linux-founda ... ration-ban
i'm totally WITH this.
i think it's exactly the right kind of statement in view of what's happening in the us of a right now.
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby Segfault » 2017-01-31 18:36

Show me where you condemned similar Obama order and I will not call you hypocrite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNu4xU9qOEM
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby debiman » 2017-01-31 19:05

nobody's saying that trump is the first ever bad & psychotic guy that got real power, in the US or anywhere else.
but that doesn't make it wrong to oppose him.


nobody ever said obama, or hillary clinton, were the white knights we really wanted.

but fair enough, i must admit i just came from another thread discussing trumps censorship which i find really outrageous, combine that with wall building and aggressive immigration politics (oh, i know that both these things were on the table before trump was elected) - i think it's a record, and i haven't witnessed something like this ever since i got interested in US politics.

also...
Segfault wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNu4xU9qOEM

...wow, another random youtube "twat" (quote from said video) who thinks they got the right to insult me because i'm getting my news from - erm - the internet...
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby HuangLao » 2017-01-31 19:10

This statement from Linux Foundation is a bit hypocritical and inappropriate.
1) stick to what you know, build the best darn kernel in the world
2) Pres. Clinton (state of the union address) spoke of the dangers of illegal immigration and the need to protect the countries borders (youtube Bill Clinton state of the union address + illegal immigration)
3) Pres. Obama listed these same seven countries and placed them on a list of temporarily banning immigration (again duckduckgo it)
4) nothing about this executive order will affect the development of the Linux Kernel or the development of Linux as it occurs via cyberspace, iirc, git, etc...
5) You can't have it both ways, if you choose to remain quiet when one party is in office (doing the same or similar things) then you lose your chance to object when the other party does the same or similar thing. Protest what is wrong, not because a different group is doing it.
6) Nothing from this ruling would have prevented Linus from emigrating to USA


PS: The Statue of Liberty had nothing to do with Immigration, it was a dedication from France honoring the Founding of the USA, the poem engraved at the base of the Statue was added in 1903 as a way to raise money. The tablet she is holding is engraved with the founding date ("JULY IV MDCCLXXVI" – July 4, 1776).
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby debiman » 2017-01-31 19:12

HuangLao wrote:if you choose to remain quiet when one party is in office (doing the same or similar things) then you lose your chance to object when the other party does the same or similar thing.

how's that? any law against it?
politicians are doing it all the time - succesfully!
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Re: Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigrati

Postby HuangLao » 2017-01-31 19:14

debiman wrote:
HuangLao wrote:if you choose to remain quiet when one party is in office (doing the same or similar things) then you lose your chance to object when the other party does the same or similar thing.

how's that? any law against it?
politicians are doing it all the time - succesfully!



didnt say anything is wrong with it, its just hypocrisy.
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