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Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigration

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#1 Post by Hallvor »

Maybe some people should concentrate on tech and leave politics aside..? What do you think?
The Linux operating system underlies nearly every piece of technology in modern life, from phones to satellites to web searches to your car. For the Linux Foundation, openness is both a part of our core principles and also a matter of practicality. Linux, the largest cooperatively developed software project in history, is created by thousands of people from around the world and made available to anyone to use for free. The Linux Foundation also hosts dozens of other open source projects covering security, networking, cloud, automotive, blockchain and other areas. Last year, the Linux Foundation hosted over 20,000 people from 85 countries at more than 150 events. Open source is a fundamentally global activity but America has always served as the hub for innovation and collaboration. Linux’s creator, Linux Foundation Fellow Linus Torvalds, immigrated to America from Finland and became a citizen. The Administration's policy on immigration restrictions is antithetical to the values of openness and community that have enabled open source to succeed. I oppose the immigration ban.

Jim Zemlin, Executive Director, The Linux Foundation
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#2 Post by FreewheelinFrank »

These are extraordinary times. The Linux Foundation is right to take a stand.

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#3 Post by oswaldkelso »

These are extraordinary times. The Linux Foundation is right to take a stand.
Yes they are. Running (or running down) a country by twitter :(

“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.”

We could add a few more to what will I'm sure be a growing list:

Environmentalists, Muslims, Attorney general, etc. Extraordinary times indeed.
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#4 Post by alan stone »

Has the Linux Foundation previously also taken a stand on the related issues discussed here?

If not, you might ask yourself - or the Linux Foundation: why?

EDIT: added an additional question.

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alan stone wrote:Has the Linux Foundation previously also taken a stand on the related issues discussed here?
Of course not. Popular fake news topics are more suitable for generating positive public opinion.
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#6 Post by golinux »

Maybe our species can learn from history:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2uZ1WLUUAAxBJE.jpg
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#7 Post by acewiza »

golinux wrote:Maybe our species can learn from history:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2uZ1WLUUAAxBJE.jpg
Yeah, imagine how much better off we'd be with fewer people wearing funny hats and carrying stupid signs! :D
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I don't see any "funny hats" or stupid signs. ;)
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The Linux operating system underlies nearly every piece of technology in modern life, from phones to satellites to web searches to your car. For the Linux Foundation, openness is both a part of our core principles and also a matter of practicality. Linux, the largest cooperatively developed software project in history, is created by thousands of people from around the world and made available to anyone to use for free. The Linux Foundation also hosts dozens of other open source projects covering security, networking, cloud, automotive, blockchain and other areas. Last year, the Linux Foundation hosted over 20,000 people from 85 countries at more than 150 events. Open source is a fundamentally global activity but America has always served as the hub for innovation and collaboration. Linux’s creator, Linux Foundation Fellow Linus Torvalds, immigrated to America from Finland and became a citizen. The Administration's policy on immigration restrictions is antithetical to the values of openness and community that have enabled open source to succeed. I oppose the immigration ban.

Jim Zemlin, Executive Director, The Linux Foundation

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i'm totally WITH this.
i think it's exactly the right kind of statement in view of what's happening in the us of a right now.
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#11 Post by Segfault »

Show me where you condemned similar Obama order and I will not call you hypocrite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNu4xU9qOEM

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nobody's saying that trump is the first ever bad & psychotic guy that got real power, in the US or anywhere else.
but that doesn't make it wrong to oppose him.


nobody ever said obama, or hillary clinton, were the white knights we really wanted.

but fair enough, i must admit i just came from another thread discussing trumps censorship which i find really outrageous, combine that with wall building and aggressive immigration politics (oh, i know that both these things were on the table before trump was elected) - i think it's a record, and i haven't witnessed something like this ever since i got interested in US politics.

also...
...wow, another random youtube "twat" (quote from said video) who thinks they got the right to insult me because i'm getting my news from - erm - the internet...

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#13 Post by HuangLao »

This statement from Linux Foundation is a bit hypocritical and inappropriate.
1) stick to what you know, build the best darn kernel in the world
2) Pres. Clinton (state of the union address) spoke of the dangers of illegal immigration and the need to protect the countries borders (youtube Bill Clinton state of the union address + illegal immigration)
3) Pres. Obama listed these same seven countries and placed them on a list of temporarily banning immigration (again duckduckgo it)
4) nothing about this executive order will affect the development of the Linux Kernel or the development of Linux as it occurs via cyberspace, iirc, git, etc...
5) You can't have it both ways, if you choose to remain quiet when one party is in office (doing the same or similar things) then you lose your chance to object when the other party does the same or similar thing. Protest what is wrong, not because a different group is doing it.
6) Nothing from this ruling would have prevented Linus from emigrating to USA


PS: The Statue of Liberty had nothing to do with Immigration, it was a dedication from France honoring the Founding of the USA, the poem engraved at the base of the Statue was added in 1903 as a way to raise money. The tablet she is holding is engraved with the founding date ("JULY IV MDCCLXXVI" – July 4, 1776).

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HuangLao wrote:if you choose to remain quiet when one party is in office (doing the same or similar things) then you lose your chance to object when the other party does the same or similar thing.
how's that? any law against it?
politicians are doing it all the time - succesfully!

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debiman wrote:
HuangLao wrote:if you choose to remain quiet when one party is in office (doing the same or similar things) then you lose your chance to object when the other party does the same or similar thing.
how's that? any law against it?
politicians are doing it all the time - succesfully!

didnt say anything is wrong with it, its just hypocrisy.

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#16 Post by oswaldkelso »

HuangLao wrote:This statement from Linux Foundation is a bit hypocritical and inappropriate.
1) stick to what you know, build the best darn kernel in the world
2) Pres. Clinton (state of the union address) spoke of the dangers of illegal immigration and the need to protect the countries borders (youtube Bill Clinton state of the union address + illegal immigration)
3) Pres. Obama listed these same seven countries and placed them on a list of temporarily banning immigration (again duckduckgo it)
4) nothing about this executive order will affect the development of the Linux Kernel or the development of Linux as it occurs via cyberspace, iirc, git, etc...
5) You can't have it both ways, if you choose to remain quiet when one party is in office (doing the same or similar things) then you lose your chance to object when the other party does the same or similar thing. Protest what is wrong, not because a different group is doing it.
6) Nothing from this ruling would have prevented Linus from emigrating to USA


PS: The Statue of Liberty had nothing to do with Immigration, it was a dedication from France honoring the Founding of the USA, the poem engraved at the base of the Statue was added in 1903 as a way to raise money. The tablet she is holding is engraved with the founding date ("JULY IV MDCCLXXVI" – July 4, 1776).
re:

1) Irelivent. Just like all major tech companys they need to move their experts around the free world. Many of them complained even Apple. As I understand it Redhat by far the largest contribuor to the Linux Kernel has bases though out the US.
2) You mention illegal immigration. I don't think anyone agrees with that, it's illegal. or are you saying Mrs Clinton was going to do the same thing as Trump? The reason the Advocate General said what Trump was doing maybe illegal was because we were talking about people with legal rights to enter and refugees.
3) I did DDG it. Major differences. Read about them here. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... a-in-2011/?
4) see 1)
5) Not sure what your saying but it sounds like your talking about 3)
6) Irelevent.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
In 1956, an Act of Congress officially renamed Bedloe's Island as Liberty Island, a change advocated by Bartholdi generations earlier. The act also mentioned the efforts to found an American Museum of Immigration on the island, which backers took as federal approval of the project, though the government was slow to grant funds for it.[120] Nearby Ellis Island was made part of the Statue of Liberty National Monument by proclamation of President Lyndon Johnson in 1965.[106] In 1972, the immigration museum, in the statue's base, was finally opened in a ceremony led by President Richard Nixon. The museum's backers never provided it with an endowment to secure its future and it closed in 1991 after the opening of an immigration museum on Ellis Island.[93]
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Segfault wrote:Show me where you condemned similar Obama order and I will not call you hypocrite.
Saying stupid things is not the same as DOING stupid things. Politicians do a lot of both to whip up their constituency. I washed my hands of the whole contaminated mess a long time ago. It will never be fixed in the fairytale voting booth. Will have to play out until we crawl out of the rubble collectively wondering where things went wrong . . .
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#18 Post by HuangLao »

oswaldkelso wrote:
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1) Irelivent. Just like all major tech companys they need to move their experts around the free world. Many of them complained even Apple. As I understand it Redhat by far the largest contribuor to the Linux Kernel has bases though out the US.
2) You mention illegal immigration. I don't think anyone agrees with that, it's illegal. or are you saying Mrs Clinton was going to do the same thing as Trump? The reason the Advocate General said what Trump was doing maybe illegal was because we were talking about people with legal rights to enter and refugees.
3) I did DDG it. Major differences. Read about them here. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... a-in-2011/?
4) see 1)
5) Not sure what your saying but it sounds like your talking about 3)
6) Irelevent.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty
In 1956, an Act of Congress officially renamed Bedloe's Island as Liberty Island, a change advocated by Bartholdi generations earlier. The act also mentioned the efforts to found an American Museum of Immigration on the island, which backers took as federal approval of the project, though the government was slow to grant funds for it.[120] Nearby Ellis Island was made part of the Statue of Liberty National Monument by proclamation of President Lyndon Johnson in 1965.[106] In 1972, the immigration museum, in the statue's base, was finally opened in a ceremony led by President Richard Nixon. The museum's backers never provided it with an endowment to secure its future and it closed in 1991 after the opening of an immigration museum on Ellis Island.[93]
Oh now, Wikipedia the bastion of truth, try this:
"Around 1865, as the American Civil War drew to a close, the French historian Edouard de Laboulaye proposed that France create a statue to give to the United States in celebration of that nation’s success in building a viable democracy. The sculptor Frederic Auguste Bartholdi, known for large scale sculptures, earned the commission; the goal was to design the sculpture in time for the centennial of the Declaration of Independence in 1876. The project would be a joint effort between the two countries–the French people were responsible for the statue and its assembly, while the Americans would build the pedestal on which it would stand–and a symbol of the friendship between their peoples."
RE: http://www.history.com/topics/statue-of-liberty

Again it had nothing to do with Immigration!

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HuangLao wrote:didnt say anything is wrong with it, its just hypocrisy.
ok now i beg to differ between my own stance and that of "Jim Zemlin, Executive Director, The Linux Foundation".

because i can only speak for myself:

it's not hypocrisy to speak up against something evil happening, only because one hasn't spoken up against ALL evil happening EVER.

anyhow i was just voicing my opinion about something that seems to be a fact by now (trump being unfit to run the usa), so it's not like i'm really actively protesting against trump.
it's more like i see him stumbling along the edge of the cliff, and i'm happy to be that butterfly on the other side of the world that helps to push him over. yeah, that's mean. sorry, donald.
that's what i am. infinitesimally small on my own.

and i'll just say it again: US American "democracy" really much more resembles a boxing match with a jeering audience and bloody noses. whenever somebody voices an opinion one way, it's pressed into this black+white scheme - "you're against trump? well obama wasn't much better!" - and after the next election it will be "you're against XYZ? well trump wasn't much better!" - sorry, i'm just not playing that game. i'm not "taking sides", i'm voicing an opinion.

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debiman wrote:i think it's exactly the right kind of statement in view of what's happening in the us of a right now.
The only thing happening in the U.S. right now in this context is the the enforcement of laws already on the books - something milk toast liberals and sypathetic politicians from all walks of life have been unable and/or unwilling to do for political reasons for decades.
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