A win for ISP's

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A win for ISP's

Postby rovernut » 2017-03-25 12:51

S.J. Resolution 34 was passed this week in the US senate. It will eliminate the FCC rule that would take effect this year to require an ISP to ask before they can sell your data, browsing history, etc. A person would have to opt-in for it to be sold.
This resolution would make it an opt-out choice.

The resolution's author says the FCC rule would , "limit customers’ choice, stifle innovation and jeopardize data security by destabilizing the internet ecosystem.”
He also said, "empowers consumers to make informed choices on if and how their data can be shared,"
I'd be curious to know how someone selling your data without your knowledge gives you "an informed choice".

H.J.Res.86 is the companion legislation introduced in the House on March 8th.
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby debiman » 2017-03-25 21:26

thanks for sharing.

"Thank God I don't live in the USA", he said, smugly.
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby Crewp » 2017-03-25 22:28

Bad news, ugh !
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby millpond » 2017-03-26 05:59

Hells bells, I always assumed the ISPs would be selling the metadata no matter what. Everyone else is. Solution? VPN. Possibly even the Tor-Browser. Works fine here. I just downloaded it and dumped it in /Opt.

Also, this week, the korporations have made a full frontal attack on the torrrent sites. even blocking the numeric addresses. But somehow Tor gets through...

If you DL Linux ISOs via P2P (as ideally you should) you may find some sites blocked without Tor.
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby edbarx » 2017-03-26 06:12

millpond wrote:Hells bells, I always assumed the ISPs would be selling the metadata no matter what. Everyone else is.

There is a saying which states, "follow the money". If they can make money out of it, it would be naive to assume they refrain from doing so.
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby acewiza » 2017-03-26 15:33

I'm not aware that any of the numerous different ISPs I have used in the past twenty years or so has any data with my name on it that is not freely available from numerous other sources - or more importantly, that I even care about. Lots of people know my name, where I live, credit history, etc. etc. Those particular horses (and similar basic-type harmless stuff the ISP might have) left the barn many many years ago.

What data have you divulged lately?

First come, first served, get your new and improved useless data from the ISP today! Hurry, while supplies last! (and I still have money to spend) :roll:

Don't log in, subscribe, purchase or communicate with anyone if you don't want vulnerable PII exposed. You can also limit your online experience and data leakage with things like Tor and very careful clicking.

Good luck with that. :wink:
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In the US maybe we had better to stop using internet...

Postby Danielsan » 2017-03-29 18:44

It seems the Republicans were able to pass a bill that allow the ISPs to sell our web history to anyone willing to pay for it:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... g-history/

The era of a free and safe internet is sadly fading, and we are in trouble, we are already behind attack from companies like Google or Amazon but now we are completely uncovered until a proper defense. I am not maniacally obsessed with the theme of the privacy, but I guess (except for few individuals) nobody would like to live in house of glass, I don't have nothing to hide but equally I don't want you know my business as well as I don't care about yours. But knowledge is power and many corporation can use it against us because they eventually will find a way to heavily monetize our personal life. I mean they learn everything about you through your web history, so they might discover you have a liver disease and when you go to the pharmacy to buy your drug you could find an higher price than the average because your ISP sold your weakness to all the pharmacies. Ok this is pretty catastrophic but not impossible, anyway the main threat is probably the ISPs will do a lot of money with our data without push the down the price for the internet service and thus we will be damaged doubly! Cool, isn't it?

Fortunately we have some remedies against this situation:

  • Not using internet at all.
  • To pay a further VPN service.
  • To buy a Tor Router/Filter like AnonaBox (but is it safe?) or something else like this one: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/flte ... chnology#/
  • To make an home VPN with a small computer like the Raspberry PI, however I am not pretty sure how it could be work because I am concerned the PI will never able to grant the whole bandwith for all the devices connected.

I am pretty sure many of you have better ideas to share, what do you propose or think about it?
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Re: In the US maybe we had better to stop using internet...

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-03-29 19:07

This all ready was announced here:
A win for ISP's

But so far in that thread the "politics" are not mentioned:
S.J. Resolution 34 was passed this week in the US senate.


Is there some obscure reason the OP needed to start another thread, but add the
"politics" :
It seems the Republicans were able to pass a bill


In any event the bill did get passed,...
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby Bulkley » 2017-03-29 19:29

There is hope.

This activist is collecting money to buy senators' browsing histories—and everyone is donating
Thanks to the Senate for passing S.J.Res 34 , now your Internet history can be bought.

I plan on purchasing the Internet histories of all legislators, congressmen, executives, and their families and make them easily searchable at searchinternethistory.com.

Everything from their medical, pornographic, to their financial and infidelity.

More at the link. As of the article he has already amassed $50.000.
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby Danielsan » 2017-03-29 19:35

This isn't enough we must protect our data and buying the one of the senators who voted this bill! :oops:
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby Bulkley » 2017-03-29 20:07

Danielsan wrote:This isn't enough we must protect our data and buying the one of the senators who voted this bill! :oops:


It might be enough. A few years ago a Canadian politician proposed a bill making it easier for government agencies to spy on us. Someone posted records of that politician's divorce and other stuff he would rather keep private with threats of more to follow. The offending bill was quickly dropped.
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby Danielsan » 2017-03-29 20:42

Canadians and Americans share a lot of things but they don't think in the same way, Canadians take more care about public interest and privacy.
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby arochester » 2017-03-29 21:15

"Something to be aware of: Debian is a core or source distribution. This means there are many Debian-based distributions. THEY ARE NOT DEBIAN."
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby Danielsan » 2017-03-29 23:00

The comments on this post don't mean nothing, from the traffic to a website you can easily go back to the source (ip addresses) or you could also do a searching of class of ips in a determinated area to find out what they browsed. From this point of view data miners can be very creative.

This bill is a pain and a further form of control, from eacape of it you must have advanced knowing in network or you need to pay for your privacy, so basically we have furtherly transformed our privacy in an asset to buy or sell, pretty disgusting indeed!
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Re: A win for ISP's

Postby Bulkley » 2017-03-29 23:29

arochester wrote:https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170329/13234837037/no-you-cant-buy-congresss-internet-data-anyone-elses.shtml


Thanks for that.
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