How long the gap between testing to testing transition?

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Re: How long the gap between testing to testing transition?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-04-16 19:40

That leads to why I keep my Debian testing on a separate drive, or VM
The current Debian stable , or any future Stable version, IE; stretch or Debian 9
would go on it's own drive, or VM
The Old stable, Wheezy, Debian 7 is what I keep on the "work station" so to speak.

So if you want the best of both , you could go ahead and upgrade your testing, and when Debian 9 is actually released, that would be your final upgrade.
Install and start a new testing, on a VM or another drive, ...
As far as I know, there is no "official" transition period or time,...

by bester69 » Im very bad trying to explain myself in foreign language :lol:

You do better on that then me on that,

Immediately after the release is announced, and actually released, there probably is no difference between the packages, but anyone involved in development could possibly submit new changes, or a new package to testing
at any time, after "testing" is unfrozen,... So if someone likes to follow testing,
and they have changed the sources to Stretch, or stable, they would miss the most recent changes,...of course if and when they switch back to testing, a simple update/upgrade would catch them up as well,
I prefer to keep the "SID", and "Testing" on different drives, I use 2 methods,
Virtual Box VM's and also portable USB drives,with the boot able version on it.
In the past there has usually been a announcement posted on the mailing list,
See https://www.debian.org/News/
Or
https://www.debian.org/News/index.es.html
and somebody posts it here, usually about a week before the new release is released, this gives users a week to change their sources.list if need be.
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Re: How long the gap between testing to testing transition?

Postby pylkko » 2017-04-16 20:02

Job wrote:This is silly I don't have a handle on the inner working of Debian circle but a testing made stable a day ago can't be much different from a testing established a day ago.

I see what you are saying and in theory this is true. That is, when testing is made stable, what happens is that a "snapshot" is taken from a "rolling" package collection and that stays as it is while from where it is taken from continues on rolling. In this sense one would expect testing and stable to be more or less equal in some short period after the transition. However, in practice, during the freeze very little if any new packages from upstream sources are put into the Debian package "universe" (in other words into unstable...some are passed around in experimental but others not at all) and package managers are focusing on other things. Therefore, right after stable is finally stable, most package managers have a lot to catch up to and there is a more-rapid-than-normal influx of new stuff after the transition.
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Re: How long the gap between testing to testing transition?

Postby phenest » 2017-04-16 21:25

bester69 wrote:i dont understand how this transiction is done, if it happens in one day, one week, or a month

Once Stretch is Stable, a new "testing" is created immediately. However, it can take a few weeks before any changes start to happen.
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Re: How long the gap between testing to testing transition?

Postby No_windows » 2017-04-16 21:38

phenest wrote:
bester69 wrote:i dont understand how this transiction is done, if it happens in one day, one week, or a month

Once Stretch is Stable, a new "testing" is created immediately. However, it can take a few weeks before any changes start to happen.


I believe the phrase that I've read in the wiki, or Deb pages someplace is that the "new" Testing is simply a copy of the new Stable...... in other words for a moment in time they are equivalent. I believe Bester's question is how long, and I would theorize the answer is that "it depends", and "it doesn't matter".

The simple solution here is to change to the code name ahead of time.......I'll have to look, but I think I'm already using "jessie" not "stable", so when Jessie passes to oldstable nothing will change for me.

There doesn't need to be any "what if" here, change it now and be done with it.
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Re: How long the gap between testing to testing transition?

Postby pendrachken » 2017-04-17 03:58

Job wrote:This is silly I don't have a handle on the inner working of Debian circle but a testing made stable a day ago can't be much different from a testing established a day ago.




Not "silly" at all.

Stable is released > testing gets opened up to all the juicy new packages that sat in unstable during the freeze prior to release, and packages flood in. Anyone who wanted to migrate to stable after bug hunting in the frozen testing updates after even the first package comes into testing now has a not purely stable system.

This could be within minutes or hours of the stable release, and I would wager almost a certainty within 24-36 hours of release. It's not worth the risk if you wanted to run stable. That is the whole reason for codenames - to avoid situations like this. You ONLY have "testing" in your sources.list if you ONLY want to run testing, otherwise you use the current testing branch code name so as to make a smooth transition to a sane and stable system upon the next stable release.
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