Thunderbird became useless with Google.

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Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby VentGrey » 2017-05-07 04:53

It seems that the new sign in page from google killed thunderbird's way of logging in, https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1158453
this bug report does not help at all since it is fixed until Version 52.1 while we are on 45. Has anyone discovered a workaround for this bug? :c darn ESR versions.
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby debiman » 2017-05-07 07:47

VentGrey wrote:It seems that the new sign in page from google killed thunderbird's way of logging in

that thread is about initial account setup on TB, not daily login.
i have seen this complaint before; the only problem i see is that maybe you have to separately open a browser window when you initially set up your account. it has no effect on checking mail.

in other words, FUD through ignorance.

in thunderbird (versions? all up until 52.1.0) (and any other email client) i have always set up my (existing) gmail accounts as i would set up any other IMAP account, i.e. no "google sign-in window".
i don't see why that shouldn't be possible anymore.
checking mail is no different than with other providers.

that said, it is clear where google are going with their customers and i am phasing out my very last google account.
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby Dai_trying » 2017-05-07 11:52

I just downloaded the latest version from Mozilla site extracted it and everything worked, Iknow this might not really fit completely with the debian system but as I did not install anything (simply extracted tar file to home folder and created desktop link) I could remove it just as easily when the current version is made to work. I found this problem a few days ago after a fresh install. alternatively you can just use this method to set-up your account and then use the repo version for usual activities as I think it is only the initial configuration where this is a problem.
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby acewiza » 2017-05-07 12:20

Thanks for reminding me to get my regularly scheduled gmail offload into icedove.

I like Gmail, but they are allowed access to only about a week's worth of my content at a time.
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby bester69 » 2017-05-07 19:14

Use Kmail, its really amazing how it works in background, I use gmail IMAP, from long with kmail (kontact). so far best client linux mail without any dude.
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby VentGrey » 2017-05-07 22:22

Kmail drags a lot of dependencies :c (Without any dude? do I need people to run it? o,o)
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby bester69 » 2017-05-07 23:17

VentGrey wrote:Kmail drags a lot of dependencies :c (Without any dude? do I need people to run it? o,o)


Here, you have available several portable versions, pick the one that works for you (Zero dependecies :lol: )
https://bintray.com/probono/AppImages/Thunderbird#files


I'm using from this web firefox-esr, as i'had got some rendering issues with the one from debian's repos. Its very usefull theses portable apps..
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby acewiza » 2017-05-08 14:42

acewiza wrote:Thanks for reminding me to get my regularly scheduled gmail offload into icedove.

I rarely quote myself, but it seemed appropriate for this: Only just this morning I was pleasantly surprised by the update enabling Thunderbird to seamlessly re-integrate itself and bump Icedove off the menu.

Looks like another job well done by the Debian crew. :D
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby sgian » 2017-05-10 22:59

EDITED: As for setting up gmail with Thunderbird, you need to get a special 16 digit app password from your google settings if you use 2 step verification like me. Here is an explanation from google with a link to drop down instructions. https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833?hl=en
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby debiman » 2017-05-11 14:30

sgian wrote:EDITED: As for setting up gmail with Thunderbird, you need to get a special 16 digit app password from your google settings if you use 2 step verification like me. Here is an explanation from google with a link to drop down instructions. https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833?hl=en

sgian, can you please confirm that this only applies to initial account setup, and not to logging in?
so it has to be done only once, and can be achieved by using a browser for that one step?
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby sgian » 2017-05-11 18:06

Yes, with 2-step authentication, the app password is only done once for each app that you give access to, and it is done through a browser.

1. So one signs into their google account through a browser, click on the avatar in the top right of the google search page, then click on "My Account".
2. The next page (as of today) has a "Sign-in and security" section on the left, and click on "Signing in to Google".
3. The next page for "Signing in to Google" has various options, like changing your password, turning off 2-Step Verification, or getting App passwords.
4. Click on "App passwords" and it makes you sign in again to verify it is you. Then click "Select app" and in the drop down select "Mail"
5. Click "Select device" and give your computer a name that you will recognize.
6. Then click "Generate" and you will get a long 16 digit password. Select and copy that password.
7. Now open Thunderbird and use the new email account wizard and paste that 16 digit password into the password box, make sure you have thunderbird save that password or you will have to do this all over again. If the Thunderbird account is already made, then open the settings in Thunderbird, find the password, and paste the 16 digit password there making sure Thunderbird saves it.

If everything is done correctly, then you will not have to sign in again whenever you open Thunderbird. As for why it has to be so complicated, it definitely is annoying and it took me a lot of "googling" to figure it out lol.
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby debiman » 2017-05-11 18:56

thanks for clarifying (i think... :? ).

sgian wrote:As for why it has to be so complicated

...it is because google think they have the right & authority to define what is safe and what isn't - always conveniently not telling their users that they are, in fact, the the product, not the customer.

after all, google is a marketing & advertising company.
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Re: Thunderbird became useless with Google.

Postby acewiza » 2017-05-11 21:42

Despite being a bit "complicated," for the typical user, Google's app password process is actually good way of doing this type thing. It is certainly no panacea from a security standpoint, but at least enforces a strong password that is not otherwise accessible and needing to be remembered and re-typed all the time.
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