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Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-27 13:51
by golinux
dasein wrote:I must be reading wrong.... 17GB???

No you're not. Basic mirror requires @20 gb. Have you never visited the available options?

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-28 00:42
by No_windows
dasein wrote:I must be reading wrong.... 17GB???


Yes, 17gb...... I'm thinking that must have been everything. I ended up downloading the netinstall directly from one of the mirrors, instead.

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-28 11:20
by phenest
The 17GB includes all the different architectures. The AMD64 Live is less than < 900MB.

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-28 13:24
by ruffwoof
Does Devuan Jessie support

apt-get update;apt-get install systemd-sysv

upgrade? :)

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-29 00:59
by golinux
ruffwoof wrote:Does Devuan Jessie support

apt-get update;apt-get install systemd-sysv

upgrade? :)

Why on earth would Devuan want to do that?!

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-29 05:30
by dilberts_left_nut
golinux wrote:
ruffwoof wrote:Does Devuan Jessie support

apt-get update;apt-get install systemd-sysv

upgrade? :)

Why on earth would Devuan want to do that?!


init freedom ? ... :)

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-29 05:57
by golinux
dilberts_left_nut wrote:
golinux wrote:
ruffwoof wrote:Does Devuan Jessie support

apt-get update;apt-get install systemd-sysv

upgrade? :)

Why on earth would Devuan want to do that?!


init freedom ? ... :)

That depends what you consider 'init freedom'. :P And that is why the announcement concludes with this:
Init Freedom

Devuan is about choice. We think people should be able to choose whether to use a GNU+Linux system with or without systemd.

Devuan decided to fork not only the base distribution, but also its governance, because Debian has made it difficult to avoid systemd as init, entangling the system with unnecessary dependencies and did so despite widespread community concern. We encourage potential Devuan users who wish to install systemd to use Debian’s installer, Debian’s packages and Debian’s mailing lists, all available directly from Debian’s mirrors.

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-29 08:17
by phenest
But is it possible to install systemd in Devuan?

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-29 13:02
by None1975
phenest wrote:But is it possible to install systemd in Devuan?

For God's sake, why?

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-29 13:47
by GarryRicketson
ruffwoof wrote:Does Devuan Jessie support

apt-get update;apt-get install systemd-sysv

upgrade? :)

I don't think the OP here, understands or knows what Devaun Jessie really is,
hence, the question,....
To try to clarify, Devaun Jessie is a "fork", of Debian Jessie, the developers of
Devaun went through some great effort to remove systemd, this is what makes
Devaun distinctly different, if one wants systemd, then they should not use Devaun,
they should use Debian Jessie, it installs with systemd by default.
If you do not want sytemd, one option is to install Devaun Jessie, when you update and when upgrades are available, you would want to use the Devaun repositories , and keep
it non-systemd, trying to mix the 2 would lead to all sorts of problems, and trying to add
systemd to it would be pointless, since the systemd version of Debian Jessie is available.
Questions and discussion about Devaun Jessie really should be asked here :
https://dev1galaxy.org/
That is where you will find the people involved with it's development and that know
more about this.

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-29 18:07
by ruffwoof
GarryRicketson wrote:
ruffwoof wrote:Does Devuan Jessie support

apt-get update;apt-get install systemd-sysv

upgrade? :)

I don't think the OP here, understands or knows what Devaun Jessie really is,
hence, the question,....

It was a rhetorical question ... spoken (written) in jest (hence the smiley).

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-29 18:46
by phenest
None1975 wrote:
phenest wrote:But is it possible to install systemd in Devuan?

For God's sake, why?

My question isn't rhetorical. I don't want to do it, and I wouldn't suggest it to anyone. Just want to know the answer. Yes or no.

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-29 19:07
by dasein
phenest wrote:My question isn't rhetorical. I don't want to do it, and I wouldn't suggest it to anyone. Just want to know the answer. Yes or no.

Try it and see.

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-29 20:23
by golinux
phenest wrote:
None1975 wrote:
phenest wrote:But is it possible to install systemd in Devuan?

For God's sake, why?

My question isn't rhetorical. I don't want to do it, and I wouldn't suggest it to anyone. Just want to know the answer. Yes or no.

Not without unpinning and reassembling packages that have been sanitized of frivolous 'entanglements'. I would predict dependency hell and unlikely things would work very well.

Re: Wow. Really?

PostPosted: 2017-05-30 02:07
by deborah-and-ian
None1975 wrote:
phenest wrote:But is it possible to install systemd in Devuan?

For God's sake, why?

Feels like those guys in the 70ies arguing that it's sexist for men to be excluded from battered women's shelters.