KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby sunrat » 2017-07-19 00:15

@wizard10000 I love you! That works fine except for nvidia-settings throwing heaps of warnings, although it displays fine. I removed that section for now and believe it may be related to KDE not following freedesktop.org XDG guidelines. I use Harrison Mixbus and the issue came up with plugins display and a Mixbus dev said KDE is the only DE they can't support because of this.
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** (nvidia-settings:11550): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files


I ran into the autostart problem ages ago, it's because conky starts before the desktop is drawn. Try:
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conky -p 5

A smaller number (seconds) may work too. Just tested, works here. ;)

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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby Hallvor » 2017-07-19 09:07

I don't know if I like it. Yesterday, two strange things happened.

1. Suddenly I had to type in the wifi password every time after waking the computer from suspend.
2. A few hours later, the battery monitor widget suddenly complained that no battery was detected. (acpi detected the battery just fine.)

At the moment I even like KDE3 better than this.
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby wizard10000 » 2017-07-19 09:14

Glad it worked, sunrat :)

On autostart - think I'm gonna leave conky as part of the saved session, though. Right now it starts about 1/4 second before wallpaper is displayed which works just fine for me. I don't have to insert a pause, but it does bug me that KDE autostarts an application before the desktop is drawn.

I would file an upstream bug but I'd bet you a steak dinner it'd come back wontfix :mrgreen:
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby thunderogg » 2017-07-19 13:59

KDE looks good really in Stretch, but the problems I had with connecting my Android devices using MTP, made me stick to Gnome. Maybe I did something wrong. I don't know. But when I found out that not even KDE Connects network browse function works with SD cards, I gave up. :?
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby bester69 » 2017-07-22 22:11

sunrat wrote:@wizard10000 I love you! That works fine except for nvidia-settings throwing heaps of warnings, although it displays fine. I removed that section for now and believe it may be related to KDE not following freedesktop.org XDG guidelines. I use Harrison Mixbus and the issue came up with plugins display and a Mixbus dev said KDE is the only DE they can't support because of this.
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** (nvidia-settings:11550): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files


I ran into the autostart problem ages ago, it's because conky starts before the desktop is drawn. Try:
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conky -p 5

A smaller number (seconds) may work too. Just tested, works here. ;)

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Have you tried KDE5.9??
You can use Netrunner backports for it, i tested with stable, and it works very well.:
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# KDE5.9 Netrunner Backports
deb http://deb.netrunner.com/dci/packages/netrunner/ netrunner-backports backports calamares ds9-artwork ds9-common extras frameworks kde-applications netrunner-desktop netrunner plasma plasmazilla qt5
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby sunrat » 2017-07-23 00:36

I will use Plasma 5.9 when it is in Sid repo. I wouldn't be comfortable adding a 3rd party repo for that.

Found a workaround for the warnings generated by nvidia-settings. Add to ~/.bashrc:
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# fix for WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
export NO_AT_BRIDGE=1
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby Innovate » 2017-07-25 12:11

Have anyone tried mycroft on KDE5 yet?
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby bester69 » 2017-07-25 15:27

sunrat wrote:I will use Plasma 5.9 when it is in Sid repo. I wouldn't be comfortable adding a 3rd party repo for that.
Found a workaround for the warnings generated by nvidia-settings. Add to ~/.bashrc:
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# fix for WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files
export NO_AT_BRIDGE=1

It is a repo based on debian testing, and you only update DE KDE packages. Do you have installed BTRFS?, you should have it, it's the best linux filesystem in my opinion, it allow you to test anything easilly, and you can rollback in a minit to a previous snapshot,

Thanks to btrfs i can test anything without having to reinstall, I can even install others distros in same partition sharing home subvolume, as i can use home's snapshots without the afraid of messing the home directory by sharing it with others distros.
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby edbarx » 2017-07-28 18:45

A good simple Window Manager, now,.... that is the "ultimate". :mrgreen:

Window Managers are too primitive to be of any good use to me as I don't have the luxury of having a pair of very strong eyes. My eyesight is not 7/7 and very small fonts as used by Window Managers make my situation far worse with burning eyes and a blurred vision. Unless Window Managers are provided with a tool to properly configure font rendering quickly, without the ridiculous need of spending hours upon hours fiddling with config files to get a decently sized font, they remain a non option for me. I used XFCE4.* under Devuan Testing which has very good font configuration tools.

The current trend is to make products look alike so that people recognize them more readily. This is happening right now to Gnome and probably to other major desktops like KDE. If Gnome or KDE or whatever, strips down configuration to the extent that I have to use a ridiculously small font, they will also cease to be viable options.

Some people require bigger fonts although not the type of offensive font rendering encountered using high contrast schemes. These have huge fonts rendered in odd colours as if only extemes exist. People may not have the best eyes, but that, does not necessarily mean they must have the worst eyesight.
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby bester69 » 2017-08-16 23:03

KDE 5.10 in repos
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# KDE5.10 Netrunner Backports
deb http://deb.netrunner.com/dci/packages/netrunner/ netrunner-backports backports calamares ds9-artwork ds9-common extras frameworks kde-applications netrunner-desktop netrunner plasma plasmazilla qt5

Today they updated to 5.10, Ive just updated, right now in testing period, the migration seems correct, kmail and others services working properly

>> So Stretch + KDE5.10

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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby bester69 » 2017-08-18 09:28

bester69 wrote: KDE 5.10 in repos
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# KDE5.10 Netrunner Backports
deb http://deb.netrunner.com/dci/packages/netrunner/ netrunner-backports backports calamares ds9-artwork ds9-common extras frameworks kde-applications netrunner-desktop netrunner plasma plasmazilla qt5

Today they updated to 5.10, Ive just updated, right now in testing period, the migration seems correct, kmail and others services working properly

>> So Stretch + KDE5.10

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5.10 is heavier than 5.9 and 5.8 and the sddm or/and kwin upgrade gave me a worse behavior--> So I roll back to 5.9.3 snapshot

Im very, very happy with KDE 5.9; 5.10 is some heavier for my old laptop, and 5.8 is more simple. So i'd recommend this version.
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby wizard10000 » 2017-08-18 11:53

bester69 wrote:...Have you tried KDE5.9??


sunrat wrote:I will use Plasma 5.9 when it is in Sid repo. I wouldn't be comfortable adding a 3rd party repo for that.


Same. I ran 5.9 for awhile when I switched to Neon during the freeze. TBH 5.8 was a good stopping point for Debian as I've found 5.9 to be a little more temperamental than Sid's 5.8.7 is, at least on my machine. I was also running Neon Dev Stable, so it's possible User and LTS editions worked just fine.

I see a little grumbling on /r/kde about Neon and 5.10.4 and there's a flood of Frameworks 5.28 and qt 5.37 source code moving into Sid from Experimental. I've been digging around developer mail lists trying to find out which version of Plasma 5 is coming to Sid but they're still uploading qt framework and I haven't been able to tell from package version numbers which release Sid will be getting.
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby bester69 » 2017-08-18 16:53

wizard10000 wrote:
bester69 wrote:...Have you tried KDE5.9??


sunrat wrote:I will use Plasma 5.9 when it is in Sid repo. I wouldn't be comfortable adding a 3rd party repo for that.


Same. I ran 5.9 for awhile when I switched to Neon during the freeze. TBH 5.8 was a good stopping point for Debian as I've found 5.9 to be a little more temperamental than Sid's 5.8.7 is, at least on my machine. I was also running Neon Dev Stable, so it's possible User and LTS editions worked just fine.

I see a little grumbling on /r/kde about Neon and 5.10.4 and there's a flood of Frameworks 5.28 and qt 5.37 source code moving into Sid from Experimental. I've been digging around developer mail lists trying to find out which version of Plasma 5 is coming to Sid but they're still uploading qt framework and I haven't been able to tell from package version numbers which release Sid will be getting.

Neon is based on Ubuntu, you might want to use Netrunner, its using debian testing, but i think you probably can use it with no problems with SID as well. I removed respositories cos they jumped to 5.10, and im staying in 5.9 for ever. I might go back to 5.8.x when they backported last FixBug pack, I will see. the good thing, is btrfs allow me to play with installations :D
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby deborah-and-ian » 2017-08-18 19:44

I'm confused: one day, elementaryOS is the perfect distro, the other day it's Debian KDE, now Netrunner. I think I'm going crazy.
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Re: KDE5 is the Ultimate Stable Desktop

Postby wizard10000 » 2017-08-18 20:04

bester69 wrote:...Neon is based on Ubuntu, you might want to use Netrunner, its using debian testing, but i think you probably can use it with no problems with SID as well.


Not sure why I'd want to. Before the package freeze for Stretch's release Sid was about ten days behind Neon. I'm sure it will be again :)
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