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Lightweight browser for older PC's?

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Re: Lightweight browser for older PC's?

#16 Post by Nili »

This Browser Benchmark is from 2016. I can't guarantee its accuracy but before installing Pale Moon on my old stystem. This link i have taken as reference.

IMHO Pale Moon looks and works very good for odd desktops/laptops. I like aswell for other reason. Have ALSA sound in default, GTK2, Mozilla Firefox old style. Have no Adobe Flash in default, Have no CISCO open h264*... Exactly have zero plugins installed.

It is worth having a look for a while and make your conclusion yourself.
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Re: Lightweight browser for older PC's?

#17 Post by lbuiyzxl »

What is hardware information of your older PC?
Already try zram and lxde-core?
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Re: Lightweight browser for older PC's?

#18 Post by deborah-and-ian »

I can relate to what you post as I have a netbook that had similar issues. It has a very weak Atom CPU and 2 GB RAM. Let me tell you that the RAM rarely is the issue. I mean, sure, browsers do take a lot of RAM, but it's between 500-1 GB. Still my netbook was churning. It had no problems using a full featured DE like Mate or even KDE without compositing. Even playing HD video was fine. But the browser was the only bottle neck. And no, switching from Xfce or Mate to Openbox, Awesome, whatever didn't help. The CPU was weak and that was it.

My suggestion is to use a very lean browser for sites where you just need the text and normal images. Like dillo or even elinks on the console. For the heavy stuff like javascript, the Webkit browsers are usually leaner on CPU usage. My suggestion is then to use Qupzilla. To be secure, get it from one of the mentioned backport repos or best from the Appimage provided on their website. Don't use the Debian version, as webkit will soon be outdated even in Stretch and I don't think Debian has an update policy for it in mind. Pale Moon would be my 2nd suggestion.
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Re: Lightweight browser for older PC's?

#19 Post by Lysander »

bester69 wrote: Yes, Im agree
I think your irony chip has shorted.

Use Lynx. I promise you you'll have no RAM issues.

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#20 Post by bester69 »

Ive tested qupzilla and Palemoon, palemoon do weirds thing likes rendering with movil look layout some pages, qupzilla seems to work better, i dont like them..

I always come back to a browser based on chrome, so I went to Chrome Changelog version history ,and to opera pub, to trace the version engine used for each opera version, and to the Chrome's changelog to see what version might consider to install in order to performance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Ch ... on_history
https://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/desktop/

I installed some opera versions with differents chrome engines/ javascript engines, tested performances, and curiously, i couldnt improve what i already had (Opera v42.x.517). Opera v42.x.517 --> Chrome/55.0.2883.87

Operav42 is a compilation from 26-Jan-2017, so its a worthy browser, still a young one to come into engine features obsolescence.
--> I recommned OperaV42 or OperaV44 if you are getting some lag with web pages.

There are lighters and fater Opera versions for older pc's such as Opera (26-29) using earliers chrome engines (from Dec-2014 on), but they give you a gui version of opera some poor. And a closer chrome engine to obsolescence web features.
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#21 Post by bester69 »

Nili wrote:This Browser Benchmark is from 2016. I can't guarantee its accuracy but before installing Pale Moon on my old stystem. This link i have taken as reference.

IMHO Pale Moon looks and works very good for odd desktops/laptops. I like aswell for other reason. Have ALSA sound in default, GTK2, Mozilla Firefox old style. Have no Adobe Flash in default, Have no CISCO open h264*... Exactly have zero plugins installed.

It is worth having a look for a while and make your conclusion yourself.
Can you do that test with differents chromium versions???

As you've got an old laptop, I'd like to know what chromium versions is fastests with old laptops. You can install easilly differents chrome engines with Opera:
https://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/desktop/
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#22 Post by pylkko »

Lysander wrote:
bester69 wrote: Yes, Im agree
I think your irony chip has shorted.

Use Lynx. I promise you you'll have no RAM issues.
I used to think that was a good idea until I read an interview of Stallman where he said that he just wgets the internet pages. Lynx is quite heavy I'd say.

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#23 Post by deborah-and-ian »

pylkko wrote:I read an interview of Stallman where he said that he just wgets the internet pages
I think that might be a great idea for my upcoming project of using the Internet only a couple of hours a day productively instead of always being on and distracted. A lot of the sites I'm on basically convey text information. There's hardly any need to get all the page content if I'm honest. Thanks for mentioning. I'll be looking for a howto.
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#24 Post by bester69 »

pylkko wrote:
Lysander wrote:
bester69 wrote: Yes, Im agree
I think your irony chip has shorted.

Use Lynx. I promise you you'll have no RAM issues.
I used to think that was a good idea until I read an interview of Stallman where he said that he just wgets the internet pages. Lynx is quite heavy I'd say.
Lynx, doenst make any sense unless you need browse internet in mode console.. you always can disable pics and javascript and get a better experience with any browser than with Lynx. I do this whenever i need to consume the less possible data movil and give internet portatil to my laptop.
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#25 Post by debiman »

pylkko wrote:I used to think that was a good idea until I read an interview of Stallman where he said that he just wgets the internet pages. Lynx is quite heavy I'd say.
but he doesn't do it because of lightweightness - he does it so he can look at the pages while being offline.
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#26 Post by pylkko »

debiman wrote:
pylkko wrote:I used to think that was a good idea until I read an interview of Stallman where he said that he just wgets the internet pages. Lynx is quite heavy I'd say.
but he doesn't do it because of lightweightness - he does it so he can look at the pages while being offline.
the ultimate protection against... erm... i forget what was it all the tinfoilhatters are protecting themselves against... ahh, attacks!
Yeah, no, I'll take credit for that invention. He probably uses Emacs to read em. Why bother? Just cat. More lightweight, you see.

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#27 Post by pylkko »

deborah-and-ian wrote:
pylkko wrote:I read an interview of Stallman where he said that he just wgets the internet pages
I think that might be a great idea for my upcoming project of using the Internet only a couple of hours a day productively instead of always being on and distracted. A lot of the sites I'm on basically convey text information. There's hardly any need to get all the page content if I'm honest. Thanks for mentioning. I'll be looking for a howto.
By the way you can also use a feed reader to just fetch the text from many pages, many pages where all the images are advertisements..

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Re: Lightweight browser for older PC's?

#28 Post by Nili »

bester69 wrote:Can you do that test with differents chromium versions???

As you've got an old laptop, I'd like to know what chromium versions is fastests with old laptops. You can install easilly differents chrome engines with Opera:
https://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/desktop/
I have only tested Chromium from Debian repository a few days ago.

But i wasn't so much happy with font rendering as well memory usage.
I am a long time user of Pale Moon which i find myself better on this browser. Sorry I can not help you with Opera.
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Re: Lightweight browser for older PC's?

#29 Post by n_hologram »

bester69 wrote:I always come back to a browser based on chrome
bester69 wrote:There is nothing to install in linux, from time to time i go to google searching for something fresh to install in linux, but, there is nothing
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Re: Lightweight browser for older PC's?

#30 Post by n_hologram »

bester69 wrote:
Wheelerof4te wrote:... Instead of searching on the Internet, he comes here asking us. I say this is either spam, or just another one of his attention grabbing
posts. Anyway, I won't be answering his posts anymore since he is so stubborn.
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ohh man, this is offtopic forum, not support forum... i dont get why you all so stubborned.. You just take it easy, i dont think im bothering anyone, I just like to exchange points of view with others users, and listen their opinions. I repeat this is not support forum, just offtopic to be relax :roll:

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At first i Upgraded to 2GB RAM, and i could not yet work, so I next upgraded to 4GB, now no more problems anymore with RAM.

By the way, Im a telecommunication engineer, so I do know somethings.
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bester69 wrote:I like forums in which you can just interact, but i like to take it all with some humor. So i like offtopic and come here in mode troll or ironic sometimes, just to have a good time.
I genuinely thought you had some form of Aspberger's until I ran across this thread.
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Re: Lightweight browser for older PC's?

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Re: Lightweight browser for older PC's?

#32 Post by stevepusser »

For really truly old machines, I recently added a 32-bit palemoon-nonsse2 package to my repo that does not require SSE2--examples are some old AMD Athlon or Via processors.
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Re: Lightweight browser for older PC's?

#34 Post by THX1138b »

I don't know why there are some people in this thread being dicks instead of suggesting lightweight browsers. Qupzilla is considerably faster than Firefox. Additionally, I've disabled Netscape plugins, Javascript and Java but I have very simple requirements.

Dillo is the fastest browser I've used but it's virtually useless because it doesn't format pages properly.
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#35 Post by Thorny »

THX1138b wrote:I don't know why there are some people in this thread being dicks instead of suggesting lightweight browsers.
They aren't being "dicks", they're having a bit of fun. If you take the time to read more of bester69's threads, you'd find that the OP doesn't mind a bit of criticism and comes here to have fun too. I wouldn't be at all surprised if bester69 is chuckling too. After all, this is the Offtopic Forum.

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